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Date:	Tue, 6 May 2014 09:25:19 +0200
From:	Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@...il.com>
To:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>
Cc:	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, tom.zanussi@...ux.intel.com
Subject: Re: RFC: A reduced Linux network stack for small systems

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org> wrote:
> There has been a lot of interest recently to run Linux on very small systems,
> like Quark systems. These may have only 2-4MB memory. They are also limited
> by flash space.
>
> One problem on these small system is the size of the network stack.
> Currently enabling IPv4 costs about 400k in text, which is prohibitive on
> a 2MB system, and very expensive with 4MB.
>
> There were proposals to instead use LWIP in user space. LWIP with
> its socket interface comes in at a bit over 100k overhead per application.
>
> I maintain that the Linux network stack is actually not that bloated,
> it just has a lot of features :-)  The goal of this project was to
> subset it in a sensible way so that the native kernel stack becomes
> competitive with LWIP.
>
> It turns out that the standard stack has a couple of features that
> are not really needed on client systems. Luckily it is also
> relatively well modularized, so it becomes possible to stub
> out these features at the edge.
>
> With removing these features we still have a powerful TCP/IP stack,
> but one that fits better into small systems.
>
> It would have been prohibitive to ifdef every optional feature.
> This patchkit relies heavily on LTO to effectively remove unused
> code. This allows to disable features only at the module boundaries,
> and rely on the compiler to drop unreferenced code and data.
>
> A few features have been also reimplemented in a simpler way.
> And I shrank a number of data structures based on CONFIG_BASE_SMALL.
>
> With these changes I can get a fully featured network stack down
> to about 170k with LTO. Without LTO there are also benefits,
> but somewhat less.
>
> There are essentially three sensible configurations:
> - Full featured like today.
> - Client only subset, but still works with standard distribution userland.
> Remove some obscure features like fastopen, make all tables smaller,
> packet socket mmap code, use a simpler routing table, remove
> high speed networking features like RPX, XPS, GRO offload.
> Disable SNMP, TCP metrics
> - Minimal subset for deeply embedded systems that can use special userland.
> Remove rtnetlink (ioctl only), remove ethtool, raw sockets.
>
> Right now I'm using own Kconfigs for every removed features. I realize
> this somewhat increases the compile test matrix. It would be possible
> to hide some of the options and select them using higher level
> configurations like the ones listed above. I haven't done this
> in this version.
>
> At this point I'm mainly interested in review and comments.
>
> Git trees:
>
> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ak/linux-misc net/debloat
> Main tree
>
> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ak/linux-misc net/debloat-3.14
> 3.14 based tree.
>
> Thanks to Tom Zanussi for contributions and testing.

What kind of userspace do you use on such a small system?
It looks like you run kernels without procfs and netlink, so not even
ps would work. :)

-- 
Thanks,
//richard
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