netdev - Re: [PATCH/RFC] Re: recvmmsg() timeout behavior strangeness [RESEND]

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Message-ID: <20140529141705.GI2764@kernel.org>
Date:	Thu, 29 May 2014 11:17:05 -0300
From:	'Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo' <acme@...nel.org>
To:	David Laight <David.Laight@...LAB.COM>
Cc:	"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@...il.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-man@...r.kernel.org" <linux-man@...r.kernel.org>,
	netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	Ondrej Bílka <neleai@...nam.cz>,
	Caitlin Bestler <caitlin.bestler@...il.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@...driver.com>,
	Elie De Brauwer <eliedebrauwer@...il.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Steven Whitehouse <steve@...gwyn.com>,
	Rémi Denis-Courmont 
	<remi.denis-courmont@...ia.com>, Paul Moore <paul@...l-moore.com>,
	Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@...driver.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC] Re: recvmmsg() timeout behavior strangeness [RESEND]

Em Thu, May 29, 2014 at 02:06:04PM +0000, David Laight escreveu:
> From: 'Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo'
> ...
> > > I remember some discussions from an XNET standards meeting (I've forgotten
> > > exactly which errors on which calls were being discussed).
> > > My recollection is that you return success with a partial transfer
> > > count for ANY error that happens after some data has been transferred.
> > > The actual error will be returned when it happens again on the next
> > > system call - Note the AGAIN, not a saved error.

> > A saved error, for the right entity, in the recvmmsg case, that
> > basically is batching multiple recvmsg syscalls, doesn't sound like a
> > problem, i.e. the idea is to, as much as possible, mimic what multiple
> > recvmsg calls would do, but reduce its in/out kernel (and inside kernel
> > subsystems) overhead.

> > Perhaps we can have something in between, i.e. for things like EFAULT,
> > we should report straight away, effectively dropping whatever datagrams
> > successfully received in the current batch, do you agree?
 
> Not unreasonable - EFAULT shouldn't happen unless the application
> is buggy.

Ok.
 
> > For transient errors the existing mechanism, fixed so that only per
> > socket errors are saved for later, as today, could be kept?
 
> I don't think it is ever necessary to save an errno value for the
> next system call at all.
> Just process the next system call and see what happens.
 
> If the call returns with less than the maximum number of datagrams
> and with a non-zero timeout left - then the application can infer
> that it was terminated by an abnormal event of some kind.
> This might be a signal.

Then it could use getsockopt(SO_ERROR) perhaps? I.e. we don't return the
error on the next call, but we provide a way for the app to retrieve the
reason for the smaller than expected batch?

> I'm not sure if an icmp error on a connected datagram socket could
> generate a 'disconnect'. It might happen if the interface is being
> used for something like SCTP.
> In either case the next call will detect the error.

- Arnaldo
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