netdev - Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH net] xen-netback: bookkeep number of queues in our own module

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Message-ID: <53A7FDF8.4070207@citrix.com>
Date:	Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:14:16 +0100
From:	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@...rix.com>
To:	Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@...rix.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
CC:	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com" <boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@...rix.com>,
	Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@...rix.com>,
	"xen-devel@...ts.xen.org" <xen-devel@...ts.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH net] xen-netback: bookkeep number of queues
 in our own module

On 23/06/14 10:20, Paul Durrant wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Miller [mailto:davem@...emloft.net]
>> Sent: 23 June 2014 10:09
>> To: Paul Durrant
>> Cc: Wei Liu; xen-devel@...ts.xen.org; netdev@...r.kernel.org;
>> boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com; Ian Campbell
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH net] xen-netback: bookkeep number of queues in our
>> own module
>>
>> From: Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@...rix.com>
>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 07:59:16 +0000
>>
>>> Bear in mind that the original intention of the multi-queue patches
>>> was to allow the queue selection algorithm to be negotiated with the
>>> frontend (see
>>> http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-06/msg02654.html).
>> Particularly,
>>> if the frontend is Windows then netback will need to use a Toeplitz
>>> hash to steer traffic since this is stipulated by Microsoft's RSS
>>> (Receive Side Scaling) interfaces. So, IMO netback should always
>>> implement a select queue method, otherwise any (theoretical)
>>> algorithm change in __netdev_pick_tx() would be immediately imposed
>>> on frontends, possibly causing them to misbehave.
>>
>> I do not think you are obligated to use Toeplitz or whatever scheme
>> the other side wants, especially if the user on the xen-netback side
>> asked for XPS or similar to be used.
> 
> If the frontend can only cope with one steering algorithm then how's
> that going to work? Flows would come in on the 'wrong' queue as far as
> the frontend is concerned and then who knows what would happen? If the
> frontend says it can only handle 'algorithm X' then the backend should
> either guarantee it's going to use 'algorthm X' or it should use a
> single queue.

We specify that frontends have to handle packets from any flow arriving
on any queue and and given the absence of any hashing negotiation we
should just use the default queue selection.

David
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