netdev - Re: [PATCH/RFC] Re: recvmmsg() timeout behavior strangeness [RESEND]

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Message-ID: <20140624202541.GD3456@kernel.org>
Date:	Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:25:41 -0300
From:	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...nel.org>
To:	"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@...il.com>
Cc:	David Laight <David.Laight@...lab.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-man@...r.kernel.org" <linux-man@...r.kernel.org>,
	netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	Ondrej Bílka <neleai@...nam.cz>,
	Caitlin Bestler <caitlin.bestler@...il.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@...driver.com>,
	Elie De Brauwer <eliedebrauwer@...il.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Steven Whitehouse <steve@...gwyn.com>,
	Rémi Denis-Courmont 
	<remi.denis-courmont@...ia.com>, Paul Moore <paul@...l-moore.com>,
	Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@...driver.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC] Re: recvmmsg() timeout behavior strangeness [RESEND]

Em Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:58:51AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) escreveu:
> Hi Arnaldo,
> 
> Things have gone quiet ;-). What's the current state of this patch?

Yeah, I kept meaning to prod the other people on this thread about what
they thought about my last messages, patches, etc. :-)

Can I have acked-by or even tested-by on those? Is it ok?

- Arnaldo

> Thanks,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
> <acme@...stprotocols.net> wrote:
> > Em Thu, May 29, 2014 at 02:06:04PM +0000, David Laight escreveu:
> >> From: 'Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo'
> >> ...
> >> > > I remember some discussions from an XNET standards meeting (I've forgotten
> >> > > exactly which errors on which calls were being discussed).
> >> > > My recollection is that you return success with a partial transfer
> >> > > count for ANY error that happens after some data has been transferred.
> >> > > The actual error will be returned when it happens again on the next
> >> > > system call - Note the AGAIN, not a saved error.
> >
> >> > A saved error, for the right entity, in the recvmmsg case, that
> >> > basically is batching multiple recvmsg syscalls, doesn't sound like a
> >> > problem, i.e. the idea is to, as much as possible, mimic what multiple
> >> > recvmsg calls would do, but reduce its in/out kernel (and inside kernel
> >> > subsystems) overhead.
> >
> >> > Perhaps we can have something in between, i.e. for things like EFAULT,
> >> > we should report straight away, effectively dropping whatever datagrams
> >> > successfully received in the current batch, do you agree?
> >
> >> Not unreasonable - EFAULT shouldn't happen unless the application
> >> is buggy.
> >
> > Ok.
> >
> >> > For transient errors the existing mechanism, fixed so that only per
> >> > socket errors are saved for later, as today, could be kept?
> >
> >> I don't think it is ever necessary to save an errno value for the
> >> next system call at all.
> >> Just process the next system call and see what happens.
> >
> >> If the call returns with less than the maximum number of datagrams
> >> and with a non-zero timeout left - then the application can infer
> >> that it was terminated by an abnormal event of some kind.
> >> This might be a signal.
> >
> > Then it could use getsockopt(SO_ERROR) perhaps? I.e. we don't return the
> > error on the next call, but we provide a way for the app to retrieve the
> > reason for the smaller than expected batch?
> >
> >> I'm not sure if an icmp error on a connected datagram socket could
> >> generate a 'disconnect'. It might happen if the interface is being
> >> used for something like SCTP.
> >> In either case the next call will detect the error.
> >
> > - Arnaldo
> 
> 
> 
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