netdev - Re: [PATCH v6 net-next 1/4] net: flow_dissector: avoid multiple calls in eBPF

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Message-ID: <53AD4514.9040708@redhat.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:19:00 +0200
From:	Daniel Borkmann <dborkman@...hat.com>
To:	Chema Gonzalez <chema@...gle.com>
CC:	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...mgrid.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...radead.org>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...hat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
	Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 net-next 1/4] net: flow_dissector: avoid multiple calls
 in eBPF

On 06/26/2014 12:00 AM, Chema Gonzalez wrote:
...
> There's still the problem of whether we want to obsolete classic BPF
> in the kernel before the tools (libpcap mainly) accept eBPF. This can
> take a lot.
>
> Finally, what's the user's CLI interface you have in mind? Right now,
> tcpdump expressions are very handy: I know I can pass "ip[2:2] ==
> 1500" or "(tcp[13] & 0x03)" to any libpcap-based application. This is
> very handy to log into a machine, and quickly run tcpdump to get the
> packets I'm interested on. What would be the model for using C-- eBPF
> filters in the same manner?

Yes, imho, it's a valid question to ask. I think there are a couple
of possibilities for libpcap/tcpdump from a user point of view (note,
I don't strictly think it's the _only_ main user though): 1) iff a
llvm and/or gcc backend gets merged from the compiler side, one could
add a cli interface to run the generated opcodes from a file for
advanced filters while perhaps classic BPF continues to be supported
via its high-level filter expressions; 2) there could be a Linux-only
compiler in libpcap that translates and makes use of full eBPF (though
significantly more effort to implement); 3) libpcap continues to use
classic BPF as it's currently doing.
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