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Date:	Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:41:38 -0700
From:	Marcel Holtmann <>
To:	Daniel Gimpelevich <>
Cc:	"John W. Linville" <>,
	" Wireless" 
	Johannes Berg <>,
	"David S. Miller" <>,
	Network Development <>,
Subject: Re: [PATCH] allow setting wiphy.perm_addr after driver probe

Hi Daniel,

>> The initial wlan0 can be removed as every other netdev attached to the
>> wiphy. It can also be as easily re-created.
>> Since the wiphy does not have a valid MAC address, my proposal here
>> would be to just not create the wlan0 in the first place. This means
>> that the wiphy can be still discovered via nl80211.
> I repeat, currently wlan0 is *not* created.

what kind of hardware are you actually using here?

>> It also means that the wlan0 netdev needs to be created by userspace
>> now. And a valid NL80211_ATTR_MAC be provided. Similar to what is
>> already done for P2P devices at the moment. That should just solve the
>> problem.
> The creation of wlan0 already comes from userspace, but the PHY has its
> own MAC.
>> We really do not want to announce a netdev when registering the wiphy
>> device and then having to mess with its MAC address via sysfs somehow.
>> This all needs to be properly reflected over RTNL.
> Again, no netdev is announced. There just isn't a way to set the MAC of
> the wiphy device itself.
> How about this: What if the driver were to leave the MAC at all zeros
> initially, and sysfs could set that if and only if it's all zeros at the
> time?

Internally it might do that, but I do not see it exposing the NL80211_ATTR_MAC when you get the attributes for wiphy.

So I am still saying that when you do NL80211_CMD_NEW_INTERFACE allow providing NL80211_ATTR_MAC to set the MAC address to be used. It might be useful that the wiphy exposes an attribute saying that it does not have a default MAC address, but that should be it. I do not like these magic 00:00:00:00:00:00 games. As I mentioned earlier, in Bluetooth we just deal with allowing the driver to set a flag that it does not have a valid address. And then the core takes care of dealing with it.



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