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Message-ID: <20140930213444.GA8259@dtor-glaptop>
Date:	Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:34:44 -0700
From:	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@...il.com>
To:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
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Subject: Re: [RFC v2 3/6] kthread: warn on kill signal if not OOM

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:06:34PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> On Mon 2014-09-22 13:23:54, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > On Monday, September 22, 2014 09:49:06 PM Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > On Thu 2014-09-11 13:23:54, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:59:25PM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> > > > > Yes, but we mostly do this anyway.  SCSI for instance does asynchronous
> > > > > scanning of attached devices (once the cards are probed)
> > > > 
> > > > What would it do it card was a bit slow to probe?
> > > > 
> > > > > but has a sync
> > > > > point for ordering.
> > > > 
> > > > Quite often we do not really care about ordering of devices. I mean,
> > > > does it matter if your mouse is discovered before your keyboard or
> > > > after?
> > > 
> > > Actually yes, I suspect it does.
> > > 
> > > I do evtest /dev/input/eventX by hand, occassionaly. It would be
> > > annoying if they moved between reboots.
> > 
> > I am sorry but you will have to cope with such annoyances. It' snot like we 
> > fail to boot the box here.
> > 
> > The systems are now mostly hot-pluggable and userland is supposed to
> > handle it, and it does, at least for input devices. If you want stable naming
> > use udev facilities to rename devices as needed or add needed symlinks (by-id, 
> > etc.).
> 
> Well, it would be nice if udev was not mandatory. Do the sync points
> for ordering actually cost us something?

Yes, boot time. We can save a second or two off the boot time if we probe
several devices/drivers simultaneously.

Thanks.

-- 
Dmitry
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