netdev - Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 1/1] net: Support for switch port configuration

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Date:	Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:08:30 +0100
From:	Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
To:	"Varlese, Marco" <marco.varlese@...el.com>
Cc:	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"stephen@...workplumber.org" <stephen@...workplumber.org>,
	"Fastabend, John R" <john.r.fastabend@...el.com>,
	"roopa@...ulusnetworks.com" <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>,
	"sfeldma@...il.com" <sfeldma@...il.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 1/1] net: Support for switch port
 configuration

Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 01:02:36PM CET, marco.varlese@...el.com wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jiri Pirko [mailto:jiri@...nulli.us]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:01 AM
>> To: Varlese, Marco
>> Cc: John Fastabend; netdev@...r.kernel.org;
>> stephen@...workplumber.org; Fastabend, John R;
>> roopa@...ulusnetworks.com; sfeldma@...il.com; linux-
>> kernel@...r.kernel.org
>> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 1/1] net: Support for switch port
>> configuration
>> 
>> Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:59:42AM CET, marco.varlese@...el.com wrote:
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: John Fastabend [mailto:john.fastabend@...il.com]
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:04 PM
>> >> To: Jiri Pirko
>> >> Cc: Varlese, Marco; netdev@...r.kernel.org;
>> >> stephen@...workplumber.org; Fastabend, John R;
>> >> roopa@...ulusnetworks.com; sfeldma@...il.com; linux-
>> >> kernel@...r.kernel.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 1/1] net: Support for switch port
>> >> configuration
>> >>
>> >> On 12/10/2014 08:50 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> >> > Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:23:40PM CET, marco.varlese@...el.com wrote:
>> >> >> From: Marco Varlese <marco.varlese@...el.com>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Switch hardware offers a list of attributes that are configurable
>> >> >> on a per port basis.
>> >> >> This patch provides a mechanism to configure switch ports by
>> >> >> adding an NDO for setting specific values to specific attributes.
>> >> >> There will be a separate patch that extends iproute2 to call the
>> >> >> new NDO.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > What are these attributes? Can you give some examples. I'm asking
>> >> > because there is a plan to pass generic attributes to switch ports
>> >> > replacing current specific ndo_switch_port_stp_update. In this
>> >> > case, bridge is setting that attribute.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there need to set something directly from userspace or does it
>> >> > make rather sense to use involved bridge/ovs/bond ? I think that
>> >> > both will be needed.
>> >>
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >> I think for many attributes it would be best to have both. The in
>> >> kernel callers and netlink userspace can use the same driver ndo_ops.
>> >>
>> >> But then we don't _require_ any specific bridge/ovs/etc module. And
>> >> we may have some attributes that are not specific to any existing
>> >> software module. I'm guessing Marco has some examples of these.
>> >>
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> John Fastabend         Intel Corporation
>> >
>> >We do have a need to configure the attributes directly from user-space and
>> I have identified the tool to do that in iproute2.
>> >
>> >An example of attributes are:
>> >* enabling/disabling of learning of source addresses on a given port
>> >(you can imagine the attribute called LEARNING for example);
>> >* internal loopback control (i.e. LOOPBACK) which will control how the
>> >flow of traffic behaves from the switch fabric towards an egress port;
>> >* flooding for broadcast/multicast/unicast type of packets (i.e.
>> >BFLOODING, MFLOODING, UFLOODING);
>> >
>> >Some attributes would be of the type enabled/disabled while other will
>> allow specific values to allow the user to configure different behaviours of
>> that feature on that particular port on that platform.
>> >
>> >One thing to mention - as John stated as well - there might be some
>> attributes that are not specific to any software module but rather have to do
>> with the actual hardware/platform to configure.
>> >
>> >I hope this clarifies some points.
>> 
>> It does. Makes sense. We need to expose this attr set/get for both in-kernel
>> and userspace use cases.
>> 
>> Please adjust you patch for this. Also, as a second patch, it would be great if
>> you can convert ndo_switch_port_stp_update to this new ndo.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>
>I was thinking of leaving the get side of things implemented via sysfs rather than implementing an NDO for it. Would this not be appropriate?

I believe that it is preferred to have both get and set exposed via ndo
and netlink. It can be exposed via sysfs as well, but it is "nice to have"
not "must have"

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