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Date:	Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:21:30 -0800
From:	John Fastabend <john.r.fastabend@...el.com>
To:	Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>,
	"Varlese, Marco" <marco.varlese@...el.com>
CC:	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Graf <tgraf@...g.ch>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>,
	"sfeldma@...il.com" <sfeldma@...il.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v2 1/1] net: Support for switch port configuration

On 12/18/2014 10:14 AM, Roopa Prabhu wrote:
> On 12/18/14, 10:02 AM, Varlese, Marco wrote:
>> Removed unnecessary content for ease of reading...
>>
>>>>>>>> +/* Switch Port Attributes section */
>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>> +enum {
>>>>>>>> +    IFLA_ATTR_UNSPEC,
>>>>>>>> +    IFLA_ATTR_LEARNING,
>>>>>>> Any reason you want learning here ?. This is covered as part  of
>>>>>>> the bridge setlink attributes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, because the user may _not_ want to go through a bridge
>>>>>> interface
>>>>> necessarily.
>>>>> But, the bridge setlink/getlink interface was changed to accommodate
>>> 'self'
>>>>> for exactly such cases.
>>>>> I kind of understand your case for the other attributes (these are
>>>>> per port settings that switch asics provide).
>>>>>
>>>>> However, i don't understand the reason to pull in bridge attributes here.
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe, I am missing something so you might help. The learning attribute -
>>> in my case - it is like all other attributes: a port attribute (as you said, port
>>> settings that the switch provides per port).
>>>> So, what I was saying is "why the user shall go through a bridge to configure
>>> the learning attribute"? From my perspective, it is as any other attribute and
>>> as such configurable on the port.
>>>
>>> Thinking about this some more, i don't see why any of these attributes
>>> (except loopback. I dont understand the loopback attribute) cant be part of
>>> the birdge port attributes.
>>>
>>> With this we will end up adding l2 attributes in two places: the general link
>>> attributes and bridge attributes.
>>>
>>> And since we have gone down the path of using ndo_bridge_setlink/getlink
>>> with 'self'....we should stick to that for all l2 attributes.
>>>
>>> The idea of overloading ndo_bridge_set/getlink, was to have the same set of
>>> attributes but support both cases where the user wants to go through the
>>> bridge driver or directly to the switch port driver. So, you are not really going
>>> through the bridge driver if you use 'self' and ndo_bridge_setlink/getlink.
>>> 

>> Roopa, one of the comments I got from Thomas Graf on my v1 patch
>> was that your patch and mine were supplementary ("I think Roopa's
>> patches are supplementary. Not all switchdev users will be backed
>> with a Linux Bridge. I therefore welcome your patches very
>> much")... I also understood by others that the patch made sense for
>> the same reason. I simply do not understand why these attributes
>> (and maybe others in the future) could not be configured directly
>> on a standard port but have to go through a bridge.
>> 
> ok, i am very confused in that case. The whole moving of bridge
> attributes from the bridge driver to rtnetlink.c was to make the
> bridge attributes accessible to any driver who wants to set l2/bridge
> attributes on their switch ports. So, its unclear to me why we are
> doing this parallel thing again. This move to rtnetlink.c was done
> during the recent rocker support. so, maybe scott/jiri can elaborate
> more.


Not sure if this will add to the confusion or help. But you do not
need to have the bridge.ko loaded or netdev's attached to a bridge
to use the setlink/getlink ndo ops and netlink messages. 

This was intentionally done. Its already used with NIC devices to
configure embedded bridge settings such as VEB/VEPA.

I think I'm just repeating Roopa though.

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