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Date:	Fri, 23 Jan 2015 01:21:41 +0000
From:	"Skidmore, Donald C" <donald.c.skidmore@...el.com>
To:	Hiroshi Shimamoto <h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com>,
	Bjørn Mork <bjorn@...k.no>
CC:	David Laight <David.Laight@...LAB.COM>,
	"e1000-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net" 
	<e1000-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Choi, Sy Jong" <sy.jong.choi@...el.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Hayato Momma <h-momma@...jp.nec.com>
Subject: RE: [E1000-devel] [PATCH 1/2] if_link: Add VF multicast promiscuous
 mode control



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hiroshi Shimamoto [mailto:h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:32 PM
> To: Skidmore, Donald C; Bjørn Mork
> Cc: David Laight; e1000-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net;
> netdev@...r.kernel.org; Choi, Sy Jong; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org;
> Hayato Momma
> Subject: RE: [E1000-devel] [PATCH 1/2] if_link: Add VF multicast promiscuous
> mode control
> 
> > Subject: RE: [E1000-devel] [PATCH 1/2] if_link: Add VF multicast
> > promiscuous mode control
> > >
> > > "Skidmore, Donald C" <donald.c.skidmore@...el.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > My hang up is more related to: without the nob to enable it (off
> > > > by
> > > > default) we are letting one VF dictate policy for all the other
> > > > VFs and the PF.  If one VF needs to be in promiscuous multicast so
> > > > is everyone else.  Their stacks now needs to deal with all the
> > > > extra multicast packets.  As you point out this might not be a
> > > > direct concern for isolation in that the VM could have 'chosen' to
> > > > join any Multicast group and seen this traffic.  My concern over
> > > > isolation is one VF has chosen that all the other VM now have to
> > > > see this multicast traffic.
> > >
> > > Apologies if this question is stupid, but I just have to ask about
> > > stuff I don't understand...
> > >
> > > Looking at the proposed implementation, the promiscous multicast
> > > flag seems to be a per-VF flag:
> > >
> > > +int ixgbe_ndo_set_vf_mc_promisc(struct net_device *netdev, int vf,
> > > +bool
> > > +setting) {
> > > +	struct ixgbe_adapter *adapter = netdev_priv(netdev);
> > > +	struct ixgbe_hw *hw = &adapter->hw;
> > > +	u32 vmolr;
> > > +
> > > +	if (vf >= adapter->num_vfs)
> > > +		return -EINVAL;
> > > +
> > > +	adapter->vfinfo[vf].mc_promisc_enabled = setting;
> > > +
> > > +	vmolr = IXGBE_READ_REG(hw, IXGBE_VMOLR(vf));
> > > +	if (setting) {
> > > +		e_info(drv, "VF %u: enabling multicast promiscuous\n", vf);
> > > +		vmolr |= IXGBE_VMOLR_MPE;
> > > +	} else {
> > > +		e_info(drv, "VF %u: disabling multicast promiscuous\n", vf);
> > > +		vmolr &= ~IXGBE_VMOLR_MPE;
> > > +	}
> > > +
> > > +	IXGBE_WRITE_REG(hw, IXGBE_VMOLR(vf), vmolr);
> > > +
> > > +	return 0;
> > > +}
> > > +
> > >
> > > I haven't read the data sheet, but I took a quick look at the
> > > excellent high level driver docs:
> > > http://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/design-guide/82599-sr-iov-
> drive
> > > r-
> > > companion-guide.pdf
> > >
> > > It mentions "Multicast Promiscuous Enable" in its "Thoughts for
> > > Customization" section:
> > >
> > >  7.1 Multicast Promiscuous Enable
> > >
> > >  The controller has provisions to allow each VF to be put into
> > > Multicast Promiscuous mode.  The Intel reference driver does not
> > > configure this option .
> > >
> > >  The capability can be enabled/disabled by manipulating the MPE
> > > field  (bit
> > > 28) of the PF VF L2 Control Register (PFVML2FLT – 0x0F000)
> > >
> > > and showing a section from the data sheet describing the "PF VM L2
> > > Control Register - PFVML2FLT[n]  (0x0F000 + 4 * n, n=0...63; RW)"
> > >
> > > To me it looks like enabling Promiscuos Multicast for a VF won't
> > > affect any other VF at all.  Is this really not the case?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bjørn
> >
> > Clearly not a dumb question at all and I'm glad you mentioned that. :)
> > I was going off the assumption, been awhile since I read the patch,
> > that the patch was using FCTRL.MPE or MANC.MCST_PASS_L2 which would
> turn multicast promiscuous on for everyone.  Since the patch is using
> PFVML2FLT.MPE this lessens my concern over effect on the entire system.
> 
> I believe the patches for this VF multicast promiscuous mode is per VF.
> 
> >
> > That said I still would prefer having a way to override this behavior on the
> PF, although I admit my argument is weaker.
> > I'm still concerned about a VF changing the behavior of the PF without
> > any way to prevent it.  This might be one part philosophical (PF sets
> > policy not the VF) but this still could have a noticeable effect on
> > the overall system.  If any other VFs (or the PF) are receiving MC
> > packets these will have to be replicated which will be a performance
> > hit.  When we use the MC hash this is limited vs. when anyone is in MC
> promiscuous every MC packet used by another pool would be replicated.  I
> could imagine in some environments (i.e. public clouds) where you don't
> trust what is running in your VM you might what to block this from
> happening.
> 
> I understand your request and I'm thinking to submit the patches
>   1) Add new mbox API between ixgbe/ixgbevf to turn MC promiscuous on,
>      and enables it when ixgbevf needs over 30 MC addresses.
>   2) Add a policy knob to prevent enabling it from the PF.
> 
> Does it seem okay?

This sounds totally fine to me.  That way users that need this functionality can get it while anyone concerned about side effects don't enable it.

> 
> BTW, I'm bit worried about to use ndo interface for 2) because adding a new
> hook makes core code complicated.
> Is it really reasonable to do it with ndo?
> I haven't find any other suitable method to do it, right now. And using ndo VF
> hook looks standard way to control VF functionality.

To be honest I had been thinking it would be enabled by PF.  Basically a hook saying the PF was willing to let any VF's go into MC promiscuous and thus so not bothering to brake it out by VF.  Since the advice effects I was worried about would be felt on all the VF's and PF even if it was enabled on only some VF's.   I imagine there would be some benefit to being able to control how many VF's were able to enter this mode but I would be ok with either.

> Then, I think it's the best way to implement this policy in ndo hook.

That seems reasonable to me.  If not I'm not sure what else would be any better, maybe ethtool --set-priv-flags but that wouldn't make much sense if you set it by VF.  Likewise I'm not sure how excited people would be about including policy like this in ethtool.

> 
> >
> > In some ways it is almost the mirror image of the issue you brought up:
> >
> > Adding a new hook for this seems over-complicated to me.  And it still
> > doesn't solve the real problems that
> >  a) the user has to know about this limit, and
> >  b) manually configure the feature
> >
> > My reverse argument might be that if this happens automatically.  It
> > might take the VM provider a long time to realize performance has
> > taken a hit because some VM asked to join 31 multicast groups and
> entered MC promiscuous.  Then only to find that they have no way to block
> such behavior.
> >
> > Maybe I wouldn't as concerned if the patch author could provide some
> > performance results to show this won't have as a negative effect as I'm
> afraid it might?
> 
> Hm, what kind of test case would you like to have?
> The user A who has 30 MC addresses vs the user B who has 31 MC addresses,
> which means that MC promiscuous mode, and coming MC packets the user
> doesn't expect?
> 
> thanks,
> Hiroshi

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