netdev - Re: [PATCH] net: phy: b53: switchdev driver for Broadcom BCM53xx switches

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Message-ID: <20150226144433.GF1973@nanopsycho.lan>
Date:	Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:44:33 +0100
From:	Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
To:	Scott Feldman <sfeldma@...il.com>
Cc:	Andy Gospodarek <gospo@...ulusnetworks.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>,
	Rafa?? Mi??ecki <zajec5@...il.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	Jonas Gorski <jogo@...nwrt.org>,
	Hauke Mehrtens <hauke@...ke-m.de>,
	Felix Fietkau <nbd@...nwrt.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: phy: b53: switchdev driver for Broadcom BCM53xx
 switches

Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 03:19:27PM CET, sfeldma@...il.com wrote:
>On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Andy Gospodarek
><gospo@...ulusnetworks.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 07:47:55AM +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>>> Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 05:21:58AM CET, gospo@...ulusnetworks.com wrote:
>>> >On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:53:24PM -0800, Scott Feldman wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Andy Gospodarek
>>> >> <gospo@...ulusnetworks.com> wrote:
>>> >> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 03:03:56PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:
>>> >> > [...]
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> What we don't want is X chip families and Y different ways to
>>> >> >> configure the features. Ideal we want X chip families, and one way to
>>> >> >> configure them all.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This statement is really my primary concern.  There is lots of interest
>>> >> > around hardware offload at this point and it seems like there is a risk
>>> >> > that a lack of consistency can create problems.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I think these patches are great as they allow for the programming of the
>>> >> > offload hardware (and it has been pointed out that this drastically
>>> >> > increases performance), but one concern I have with this patch (related
>>> >> > to this) is that I'm not sure there is a major need to create netdevs
>>> >> > automatically if there is not the ability to rx/tx actual frames on
>>> >> > these interfaces.
>>> >>
>>> >> Even when not used for rx/tx to CPU, it seems the netdevs are still
>>> >> useful as an anchor to build higher-level constructs such as bridge or
>>> >> bond, and to hang stuff like netdev stats or ethtool-ish things.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >I agree that they are useful, but now we are really dealing with a
>>> >netdev that is slightly lower functionality than we expect from a netdev
>>> >right now.
>>>
>>> Is that a real care for some device now?
>> I guess that depends on how users expect to use it.  :)
>>
>>> I agree with Scott that we need to model is consistently. If there is
>>> such port netdev witch cannot tx/rx, we can expose the fact using some
>>> flag...
>> Using a flag to expose/mark this was exactly my thought.
>
>Missing .ndo_start_xmit is the clue....do we need more?

You do not want to add null check for ndo_start_xmit to xmit path :)
This should be some stub in case of no-tx.
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