netdev - Re: Flows! Offload them.

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Message-ID: <54EF74E0.7060502@gmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:32:48 -0800
From:	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>
To:	Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>, netdev@...r.kernel.org
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Subject: Re: Flows! Offload them.

Hi Jiri,

On 25/02/15 23:42, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Hello everyone.
> 
> I would like to discuss big next step for switch offloading. Probably
> the most complicated one we have so far. That is to be able to offload flows.
> Leaving nftables aside for a moment, I see 2 big usecases:
> - TC filters and actions offload.
> - OVS key match and actions offload.
> 
> I think it might sense to ignore OVS for now. The reason is ongoing efford
> to replace OVS kernel datapath with TC subsystem. After that, OVS offload
> will not longer be needed and we'll get it for free with TC offload
> implementation. So we can focus on TC now.

What is not necessarily clear to me, is if we leave nftables aside for
now from flow offloading, does that mean the entire flow offloading will
now be controlled and going with the TC subsystem necessarily?

I am not questioning the choice for TC, I am just wondering if
ultimately there is the need for a lower layer, which is below, such
that both tc and e.g: nftables can benefit from it?

I guess my larger question is, if I need to learn about new flows
entering the stack, how is that going to wind-up looking like?

> 
> Here is my list of actions to achieve some results in near future:
> 1) finish cls_openflow classifier and iproute part of it
> 2) extend switchdev API for TC cls and acts offloading (using John's flow api?)
> 3) use rocker to provide offload for cls_openflow and couple of selected actions
> 4) improve cls_openflow performance (hashtables etc)
> 5) improve TC subsystem performance in both slow and fast path
>     -RTNL mutex and qdisc lock removal/reduction, lockless stats update.
> 6) implement "named sockets" (working name) and implement TC support for that
>     -ingress qdisc attach, act_mirred target
> 7) allow tunnels (VXLAN, Geneve, GRE) to be created as named sockets
> 8) implement TC act_mpls
> 9) suggest to switch OVS userspace from OVS genl to TC API
> 
> This is my personal action list, but you are *very welcome* to step in to help.
> Point 2) haunts me at night....
> I believe that John is already working on 2) and part of 3).
> 
> What do you think?
-- 
Florian
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