netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next RFC v2] switchdev: bridge: drop hardware forwarded packets

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Date:	Fri, 20 Mar 2015 16:30:31 -0700
From:	roopa <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>
To:	Scott Feldman <sfeldma@...il.com>
CC:	John Fastabend <john.r.fastabend@...el.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Jiří Pírko <jiri@...nulli.us>,
	"Arad, Ronen" <ronen.arad@...el.com>,
	Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next RFC v2] switchdev: bridge: drop hardware forwarded
 packets

On 3/20/15, 3:37 PM, Scott Feldman wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:06 PM, roopa <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com> wrote:
>> On 3/20/15, 11:13 AM, Scott Feldman wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, John Fastabend
>>> <john.r.fastabend@...el.com> wrote:
>>>> On 03/20/2015 09:58 AM, roopa@...ulusnetworks.com wrote:
>>>>> From: Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On a Linux bridge with bridge forwarding offloaded to switch ASIC,
>>>>> there is a need to not re-forward frames that have already been
>>>>> forwarded in hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> Typically these are broadcast or multicast frames forwarded by the
>>>>> hardware to multiple destination ports including sending a copy of
>>>>> the packet to the cpu (kernel e.g. an arp broadcast).
>>>>> The bridge driver will try to forward the packet again, resulting in
>>>>> two copies of the same packet.
>>>>>
>>>>> These packets can also come up to the kernel for logging when they hit
>>>>> a LOG acl rule in hardware. In such cases, you do want the packet
>>>>> to go through the bridge netfilter hooks. Hence, this patch adds the
>>>>> required checks just before the packet is being xmited.
>>>>>
>>>>> v2:
>>>>>         - Add a new hw_fwded flag in skbuff to indicate that the packet
>>>>>         is already hardware forwarded. Switch driver will set this flag.
>>>>>         I have been trying to avoid having this flag in the skb
>>>>>         and thats why this patch has been in my tree for long. Cant think
>>>>>         of other better alternatives. Suggestions are welcome. I have put
>>>>>         this under CONFIG_NET_SWITCHDEV to minimize the impact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Wilson Kok <wkok@...ulusnetworks.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>> Interesting. I completely avoid this problem by not instantiating a
>>>> software bridge ;) When these pkts come up the stack I either use a
>>>> raw socket to capture them, put a 'tc' ingress rule to do something,
>>>> or have OVS handle them in some special way. It seems to me that this
>>>> is where the sw/hw model starts to break when you have these magic
>>>> bits to handle the packets differently.
>>>>
>>>> How do you know to set the skb bit? Do you have some indicator in the
>>>> descriptor? I don't have any good way to learn this on my hardware. But
>>>> I can assume if it reached the CPU it was because of some explicit rule.
>>> I was wondering that also, since there was no example.
>>>
>>> This features seems like it belongs in the bridge.
>> yes, it does, the check today is really in the bridge.
>>> We already have
>>> BR_FLOOD to indicate whether unknown unicast traffic is flooded to a
>>> bridge port.  Can we add another BR_FLOOD_BCAST (or some name) for
>>> this new feature?  You would set/clear this flag on the bridge
>>> (master) port.  The default is set.  And now:
>>>
>>> - #define BR_AUTO_MASK          (BR_FLOOD | BR_LEARNING)
>>> + #define BR_AUTO_MASK          (BR_FLOOD | BR_FLOOD_BCAST | BR_LEARNING)
>>>
>>> Does this work for your use-case, Roopa?
>> Note my first RFC patch, sort of did this:
>> https://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev&m=142147999420017&w=2
>>
>> But there are open things there as listed in the comment and also in the
>> subsequent
>> discussion on the thread.
>>
>> We discussed this flag before and i think it does not allow the case where
>> hw switch ports are  bridged with non-hw ports.
> I went back and read the thread just to remind me what the pros/cons
> where.  I think the mixed case isn't a concern since this
> BR_FLOOD_BCAST check is made on egress to the bridge port.  So only
> clear BR_FLOOD_BCAST on hw switch ports (if hw did the flood already
> amongst its ports), and leave it set for non-hw-ports.   It seems the
> patch should mostly be a clone of how BR_FLOOD is handled.  Is there
> more to it?
That may work.  But, we have recently moved igmp handling to software in 
kernel
and i was trying to make this work for that case. I am going to try what 
you suggest
  by finding a work around for the igmp case.

I will get back to you.

Thanks!
-Roopa

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