netdev - Re: [PATCH v2] add stealth mode

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Message-ID: <1436342521.2928.4.camel@stressinduktion.org>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jul 2015 10:02:01 +0200
From:	Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@...essinduktion.org>
To:	Matteo Croce <matteo@...nwrt.org>
Cc:	Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>,
	Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@...nd.com>,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] add stealth mode

On Tue, 2015-07-07 at 17:27 +0200, Matteo Croce wrote:
> 2015-07-07 10:07 GMT+02:00 Hannes Frederic Sowa <
> hannes@...essinduktion.org>:
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015, at 21:44, Matteo Croce wrote:
> > > 2015-07-06 12:49 GMT+02:00  <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>:
> > > > On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 10:56:01 +0200, Matteo Croce said:
> > > > > Add option to disable any reply not related to a listening 
> > > > > socket,
> > > > > like RST/ACK for TCP and ICMP Port-Unreachable for UDP.
> > > > > Also disables ICMP replies to echo request and timestamp.
> > > > > The stealth mode can be enabled selectively for a single 
> > > > > interface.
> > > > 
> > > > A few notes.....
> > > > 
> > > > 1) Do you have an actual use case where an iptables '-j DROP' 
> > > > isn't usable?
> > > 
> > > If you mean using a default DROP policy and allowing only the 
> > > traffic
> > > do you want,
> > > then the use case is where the port can change at runtime and you 
> > > may not
> > > want
> > > to update the firewall every time
> > 
> > Can't you use socket match in netfilter to accomplish exactly that?
> 
> You mean the owner --uid match?
> Yes  sort of, but my was a different goal, I want just to disable any
> kind of reply from a specific interface (usually WAN) unless there is
> a listening socket, to mitigate port scanning and flood attacks
> without having a firewall.

I was more thinking about the xt_socket match:

-m socket in the INPUT chain.

> Obviously you can do it with a firewall,
> but why do we have /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all when we can
> drop ICMP echoes?

Same arguments apply to that knob, but it is already imported and cannot
be changed anymore. Nowadays we try to avoid adding new sysctls.

Bye,
Hannes

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