Date:	Fri, 7 Aug 2015 10:26:57 +0000
From:	Dexuan Cui <decui@...rosoft.com>
To:	KY Srinivasan <kys@...rosoft.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
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Subject: RE: [PATCH V4 4/7] Drivers: hv: vmbus: add APIs to register callbacks
 to process hvsock connection

> -----Original Message-----
> From: KY Srinivasan
> Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 2:28
> To: Dexuan Cui <decui@...rosoft.com>; David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
> Cc: olaf@...fle.de; gregkh@...uxfoundation.org; jasowang@...hat.com;
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> Subject: RE: [PATCH V4 4/7] Drivers: hv: vmbus: add APIs to register callbacks to
> process hvsock connection
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dexuan Cui
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 9:54 PM
> > To: David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>; KY Srinivasan
> > <kys@...rosoft.com>
> > Cc: olaf@...fle.de; gregkh@...uxfoundation.org; jasowang@...hat.com;
> > driverdev-devel@...uxdriverproject.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org;
> > stephen@...workplumber.org; stefanha@...hat.com;
> > netdev@...r.kernel.org; apw@...onical.com; pebolle@...cali.nl;
> > dan.carpenter@...cle.com
> > Subject: RE: [PATCH V4 4/7] Drivers: hv: vmbus: add APIs to register callbacks
> > to process hvsock connection
> >
> > > From: devel [mailto:driverdev-devel-bounces@...uxdriverproject.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Dexuan Cui
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 18:20
> > > To: David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>; KY Srinivasan
> > <kys@...rosoft.com>
> > > Cc: olaf@...fle.de; gregkh@...uxfoundation.org; jasowang@...hat.com;
> > > driverdev-devel@...uxdriverproject.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org;
> > > stephen@...workplumber.org; stefanha@...hat.com;
> > netdev@...r.kernel.org;
> > > apw@...onical.com; pebolle@...cali.nl; dan.carpenter@...cle.com
> > > Subject: RE: [PATCH V4 4/7] Drivers: hv: vmbus: add APIs to register
> > callbacks to
> > > process hvsock connection
> > >
> > > > From: David Miller
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:27
> > > >
> > > > From: Dexuan Cui
> > > > Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 05:35:11 -0700
> > > >
> > > > > With the 2 APIs supplied by the VMBus driver, the coming net/hvsock
> > driver
> > > > > can register 2 callbacks and can know when a new hvsock connection is
> > > > > offered by the host, and when a hvsock connection is being closed by
> > the
> > > > > host.
> > > > >
> > > > This is an extremely terrible interface.
> > > >
> > > > It's an opaque hook that allows on registry, and it's solve purpose
> > > > is to allow a backdoor call into a foreign driver in another module.
> > > >
> > > > These are exactly the things we try to avoid.
> > >
> > > Hi David,
> > > Thanks a lot for your reviewing and the suggestion!
> > >
> > > > Why not create a real abstraction where clients register an object,
> > > > that can be contained as a sub-member inside of their own driver
> > > > private, that provides the callback registry mechanism.
> >
> > Hi David,
> > Can you please have a look at my below questions?
> >
> > I like your idea of a real abstraction. Your answer would definitely
> > help me to implement that correctly.
> >
> > > Please pardon me for my inexperience.
> > > Can you please be a bit more specific?
> > > I guess maybe you're referencing a common design pattern in the driver
> > > code, so an example in some existing driver would be the best. :-)
> > >
> > > "clients register an object " --
> > > does the "clients" mean the hvsock driver?
> > > and the "object" means the 2 callbacks?
> > >
> > > IMHO, here the vmbus driver has to synchronously pass the 2 events
> > > to the hvsock driver, so a "backdoor call into the hvsock driver" is
> > > inevitable anyway?
> > >
> > > e.g., in the path vmbus_process_offer() -> hvsock_process_offer(), the
> > > return value of the latter is important to the former, because on error
> > > the former needs to clean up some internal states of the vmbus driver
> > (that
> > > is, the "goto err_deq_chan").
> > >
> > >
> > > > That way you can register multiple clients, do things like allow
> > > > AF_PACKET capturing of vmbus traffic, etc.
> > >
> > > I thought AF_PACKET can only capture IP packetsor Ethernet frames.
> > > Can it be used to capture AF_UNIX packet?
> > > If yes, I suppose we can consider making it work for AF_HYPERV too,
> > > if people ask for that.
> > >
> 
> Dexuan,
> 
> The notion of a channel on Hyper-V has been mapped to a device on Linux and
> the mechanism we have
> had of notifying the driver of the creation of the channel was through
> registering this device with the kernel
> (vmbus_device_create). The first exception to this was when we introduced
> multi-channel support that broke
> the assumption of this one to one mapping between the channel and Linux
> device. In the case of the sub-channels,
> we handled the  driver notification issue via the sub-channel callback that the
> driver registers at the point of
> opening the channel. Perhaps we could make the sub-channel handling
> mechanism more generic to handle the case
> of VMSOCK as well?
> 
> K. Y

Good suggestion!
Let me think this over and make a new patch.

Thanks,
-- Dexuan

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