netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next] macvtap/macvlan: use IFF_NO

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Message-ID: <55E05352.9040808@redhat.com>
Date:	Fri, 28 Aug 2015 08:25:54 -0400
From:	Vlad Yasevich <vyasevic@...hat.com>
To:	Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
CC:	netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Patrick McHardy <kaber@...sh.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] macvtap/macvlan: use IFF_NO_QUEUE

On 08/27/2015 10:42 PM, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 08/27/2015 06:43 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 01:45:30PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>
>>> On 08/26/2015 12:32 AM, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>>>> On 08/25/2015 07:30 AM, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>> On 08/25/2015 06:17 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 04:33:12PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>>>>> For macvlan, switch to use IFF_NO_QUEUE instead of tx_queue_len = 0.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For macvtap, after commit 6acf54f1cf0a6747bac9fea26f34cfc5a9029523
>>>>>>>> ("macvtap: Add support of packet capture on macvtap
>>>>>>>> device."). Multiqueue macvtap suffers from single qdisc lock
>>>>>>>> contention. This is because macvtap claims a non zero tx_queue_len and
>>>>>>>> it reuses this value as it socket receive queue size.Thanks to
>>>>>>>> IFF_NO_QUEUE, we can remove the lock contention without breaking
>>>>>>>> existing socket receive queue length logic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Patrick McHardy <kaber@...sh.net>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Vladislav Yasevich <vyasevic@...hat.com>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com>
>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
>>>>>> Seems to make sense. Give me a day or two to get over the jet lag
>>>>>> (and get out from under the pile of mail accumulated while I was traveling),
>>>>>> I'll review properly and ack.
>>>>>>
>>>>> A note on this patch: only default qdisc were removed but we don't lose
>>>>> the ability to attach a qdisc to macvtap (though it may cause lock
>>>>> contention on multiqueue case).
>>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't that lock contention be solved if we really had multiple queues
>>>> for multi-queue macvtaps?
>>>>
>>>> -vlad
>>> Yes, but this introduce another layer of txq locks contention?
>> I don't follow - why does it? Could you clarify please?
> 
> I believe Vlad wants to remove NETIF_F_LLTX. If yes, core will do an
> extra tx lock at macvlan layer.

No, I don't want to remove it.  In a sense, it would function similar to
how it works when fwd_priv is populated.  I am still testing the code
as it's showing some strange artifacts...  could be due to keeping LLTX.

-vlad

> 
>>
>>> And it
>>> also needs macvlan multiqueue support. We used to do something like this
>>> but switch to NETIF_F_LLTX finally. You may refer:
>>>
>>> 2c11455321f37da6fe6cc36353149f9ac9183334 macvlan: add multiqueue capability
>>> 8ffab51b3dfc54876f145f15b351c41f3f703195 macvlan: lockless tx path
>> My concern is that the moment someone configures a non-standard qdisc
>> scalability suddenly disappears. That would also be tricky to debug in the
>> field as not a lot of developers use non-standard qdiscs.
>> What do you think?
> 
> Probably not an issue. Non-standard qdisc may need be attached manually
> after device creation, and we don't lose this ability with this patch.
> (Unless somebody changes default_qdisc). Actually, user before
> 6acf54f1cf0a6747bac9fea26f34cfc5a9029523 does not expect any qdisc work
> for macvtap like other stacked devices. This patch also restore this.
> 
> 

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