netdev - Re: eBPF / seccomp globals?

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Message-ID: <CAMkWEXOGtBST0y-2F0Jna4WaVmJsroZvSrwB4vnbtXYTY31O0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:29:27 +0000
From:	Michael Tirado <mtirado418@...il.com>
To:	Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Cc:	Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, alexei.starovoitov@...il.com
Subject: Re: eBPF / seccomp globals?

> What we did in Chrome OS was to use the "minijail" tool[2] to
> LD_PRELOAD a .so that sets up the seccomp filter after the exec. It's
> a bit of a hack, but works in well-defined environments. You are
> talking about namespaces, though, so maybe minijail is worth a look?
> It does that too and a whole lot more.

Minijail is pretty similar to what I have been working on the past few
months,  unfortunately I have already written it, doh!  Those slides
are a good resource,  definitely helpful as introduction to seccomp.

So it seems there are no easy solutions to this problem. Using
LD_PRELOAD to defer seccomp filter application scares me a little bit,
and won't work with file capabilities IIRC, though it is a damn clever
solution.  I think for now I will explore the possibility of
validating argument 1 of exec to allow only the program I am launching
to be exec'd, so if somehow by Thor's hammer that program escapes it's
sandbox, it will only be able to exec itself.  I suppose it will have
to now be restricted to absolute paths only.

Thanks everyone for the clarification!

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Michael Tirado <mtirado418@...il.com> wrote:
>> Hiyall,
>>
>> I have created a seccomp white list filter for a program that launches
>> other less trustworthy programs.  It's working great so far, but I
>> have run into a little roadblock.  the launcher program needs to call
>> execve as it's final step, but that may not be present in the white
>> list.  I am wondering if there is any way to use some sort of global
>> variable that will be preserved between syscall filter calls so that I
>> can allow only one execve, if not present in white list by
>> incrementing a counter variable.
>>
>> I see that in Documentation/networking/filter.txt one of the registers
>> is documented as being a pointer to struct sk_buff, in the seccomp
>> context this is a pointer to struct seccomp_data  instead, right?  and
>> the line about callee saved registers R6-R9  probably refers to them
>> being saved across calls within that filter, and not calls between
>> filters?
>>
>> My apologies if this is not the appropriate place to ask for help, but
>> it is difficult to find useful information on how eBPF works, and is a
>> bit confusing trying to figure out the differences between seccomp and
>> net filters, and the old bpf code kicking around short of spending
>> countless hours reading through all of it.  If anybody has a some
>> links to share I would be very grateful.  the only way I can think to
>> make this work otherwise is to mount everything as MS_NOEXEC in the
>> new namespace, but that just feels wrong.
>
> For documentation, there's some great slides on seccomp from Plumber's
> this year[1].
>
> At present, there is no variable state beyond the syscall context (PC,
> args) available to seccomp filters. The no_new_privs prctl was added
> to reduce the risk of including execve in a filter's whitelist, but
> that isn't as strong as the "exec once" feature you want.
>
> What we did in Chrome OS was to use the "minijail" tool[2] to
> LD_PRELOAD a .so that sets up the seccomp filter after the exec. It's
> a bit of a hack, but works in well-defined environments. You are
> talking about namespaces, though, so maybe minijail is worth a look?
> It does that too and a whole lot more.
>
> As for using maps via eBPF in seccomp, it's on the horizon, but it
> comes with a lot exposure that I haven't finished pondering, so I
> don't think those features will be added soon.
>
> -Kees
>
> [1] http://man7.org/conf/lpc2015/limiting_kernel_attack_surface_with_seccomp-LPC_2015-Kerrisk.pdf
> [2] see subdirectory "minijail" after "git clone
> https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform2/"
>
>
> --
> Kees Cook
> Chrome OS Security
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