netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next] Revert "net/ipv6: add sysctl option accept_ra_min_hop

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Message-ID: <55F11AAD.3030209@miraclelinux.com>
Date:	Thu, 10 Sep 2015 14:52:45 +0900
From:	YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <hideaki.yoshifuji@...aclelinux.com>
To:	Sabrina Dubroca <sd@...asysnail.net>
Cc:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	hideaki.yoshifuji@...aclelinux.com,
	Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	liuhangbin@...il.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] Revert "net/ipv6: add sysctl option
 accept_ra_min_hop_limit"

Sabrina Dubroca wrote:
> 2015-09-02, 16:11:10 -0700, David Miller wrote:
>> From: Sabrina Dubroca <sd@...asysnail.net>
>> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:43:01 +0200
>>
>>> This reverts commit 8013d1d7eafb0589ca766db6b74026f76b7f5cb4.
>>>
>>> There are several issues with this patch.
>>> It completely cancels the security changes introduced by 6fd99094de2b
>>> ("ipv6: Don't reduce hop limit for an interface").
>>> The current default value (min hop limit = 1) can result in the same
>>> denial of service that 6fd99094de2b prevents, but it is hard to define
>>> a correct and sane default value.
>>> More generally, it is yet another IPv6 sysctl, and we already have too
>>> many.
>>>
>>> This was introduced to satisfy a TAHI test case which, in my opinion, is
>>> too strict, turning the RFC's "SHOULD" into a "MUST":
>>>
>>>     If the received Cur Hop Limit value is non-zero, the host
>>>     SHOULD set its CurHopLimit variable to the received value.
>>>
>>> The behavior of this sysctl is wrong in multiple ways.  Some are
>>> fixable, but let's not rush this commit into mainline, and revert this
>>> while we still can, then we can come up with a better solution.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Sabrina Dubroca <sd@...asysnail.net>
>>
>> I don't agree with this revert.
>>
>> If you look at the original commit, the quoted RFC recommends adding
>> a configurable method to protect against this.
>>
>> And that's exactly what the commit you are trying to revert is doing.
>>
>> The only thing I would entertain is potentially an adjustment of the
>> default, working in concert with the TAHI folks to make sure their
>> tests still pass with any new default.
> 
> Would you agree with a default of 64, as Florian suggested?

1 was chosen to restore our behavior before introduction of current
hoplimit check.  I am not in favor of changing that value.

Plus, 64 is too restrictive and 32 would be enough for global
internet, IMHO.

> 
> 
> Can we still modify the behavior of this sysctl? It's already been in
> Linus's tree for a while, but if we can, I would rather restrict the
> values we let the user write to accept_ra_min_hop_limit, as anything
> outside [0..255] does not really make sense.

[1..256], maybe, but it is not harmful to set outside the range.
0 is always ignored. If it is set to 256 or more, the option is
completely ignored.

> 
> Allowing an RA to update the hop limit if
> 
>    current hop limit < RA.hop_limit < accept_ra_min_hop_limit
> 
> might also be desirable, but I'm not so sure about this case.
> 
> 

It might be... byt I don't think it is a good idea since it becomes
more complex.

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Hideaki Yoshifuji <hideaki.yoshifuji@...aclelinux.com>
Technical Division, MIRACLE LINUX CORPORATION
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