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Date:	Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:38:03 -0300
From:	Hugo Vasconcelos Saldanha <hugovs@...il.com>
To:	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>
Cc:	netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Problem with ICMP rate limiting and redirects

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-09-30 at 15:13 -0300, Hugo Vasconcelos Saldanha wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2015-09-30 at 13:10 -0300, Hugo Vasconcelos Saldanha wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> While updating the kernel from v3.2 to v3.14, I started to see a
>> >> different behavior concerning ICMP redirects sent by this updated
>> >> server. The network is somewhat configured like this:
>> >>
>> >>                ---|firewall|----{Internet}
>> >> |client|------|
>> >>               |
>> >>                ---|router|------|172.16/12 network|
>> >>
>> >> The client's default gateway is 'firewall', which is the updated
>> >> server. It has a static route to 172.16 network by 'router'. If
>> >> 'client' wants to talk to a server in that network, 'firewall' sends a
>> >> ICMP redirect pointing to router as the gateway.
>> >>
>> >> This worked fine with v3.2. But after the upgrade, if an ICMP message
>> >> that is rate-limited (by the sysctl_icmp_ratelimit mask) is sent to
>> >> 'client', ICMP redirects stop being sent to the same client. This
>> >> happens, for example, when traceroute'ing from the client to the
>> >> server inside the mentioned network. In this situation, a ICMP Time
>> >> Exceeded message is sent in response to traceroute's first packet, but
>> >> then the following packets never generate any ICMP redirect messages
>> >> in 'firewall'.
>> >>
>> >> Debugging the code, I was able to see that the problem is being caused
>> >> by the fact that ip_rt_send_redirect() started to use the inetpeer
>> >> cache and the fields used to rate limit ICMP redirects (rate_tokens
>> >> and rate_last) are now being shared with the algorithm applied in
>> >> inet_peer_xrlim_allow(). This never happened with v3.2 because
>> >> apparently inet_peer_xrlim_allow() and ip_rt_send_redirect() used
>> >> different inetpeer objects.
>> >>
>> >> The reason why this breaks the functionality is that, while
>> >> inet_peer_xrlim_allow() uses a time bucket, ip_rt_send_redirect() uses
>> >> rate_tokens as a packet counter. Not to mention the fact that these
>> >> are two completely different policies which should be controlled by
>> >> different buckets, counters, flags, etc. Because of this,
>> >> ip_rt_redirect_silence, ip_rt_redirect_number and ip_rt_redirect_load
>> >> /proc files are broken also.
>> >>
>> >> The easiest solution would be to create new fields in 'struct
>> >> inetpeer' to control ICMP redirects only, but I'm not able to measure
>> >> its convenience.
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> PS: Apparently, a similar problem was reported here:
>> >> http://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev&m=139696540600985
>> >>
>> >> PS2: I could try to reproduce the problem with the latest code if this
>> >> is really necessary.
>> >
>> > Hmm... Do you have commit
>> >
>> > 4cdf507d54525842dfd9f6313fdafba039084046
>> > ("icmp: add a global rate limitation")
>> > in your kernel ?
>> >
>>
>> No, but i just tested it and problem continues. AFAICT, ICMP redirects
>> shouldn't be limited by the logic implemented by that patch, at least
>> with default icmp_ratemask. And the algorithm in ip_rt_send_redirect()
>> has a different purpose, too.
>
> OK thanks.
>
> I guess I also gave the commit to give a hint why relying on inetpeer
> might open doors for DDOS.
>
> <quote of the changelog>
>     Note that if we really want to send millions of ICMP messages per
>     second, we might extend idea and infra added in commit 04ca6973f7c1a
>     ("ip: make IP identifiers less predictable") :
>     add a token bucket in the ip_idents hash and no longer rely on
>     inetpeer.
>
> </quote>
>
>

Thanks for pointing that out.

But how should all the sysctl's that control ICMP messages sent to
specific targets (icmp_ratelimit, redirect_load, redirect_number,
redirect_silence, error_cost and error_burst) be treated without
relying on inetpeer? Entries in ip_idents hash don't represent
specific targets. Am I missing something?
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