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Date:	Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:24:09 -0800
From:	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>
To:	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc:	Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>,
	Haiyang Zhang <haiyangz@...rosoft.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	"vkuznets@...hat.com" <vkuznets@...hat.com>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	KY Srinivasan <kys@...rosoft.com>,
	"devel@...uxdriverproject.org" <devel@...uxdriverproject.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] hv_netvsc: don't make assumptions on struct
 flow_keys layout

On Thu, 2016-01-14 at 17:53 +0000, One Thousand Gnomes wrote:
> > These results for Toeplitz are not plausible. Given random input you
> > cannot expect any hash function to produce such uniform results. I
> > suspect either your input data is biased or how your applying the hash
> > is.
> > 
> > When I run 64 random IPv4 3-tuples through Toeplitz and Jenkins I get
> > something more reasonable:
> 
> IPv4 address patterns are not random. Nothing like it. A long long time
> ago we did do a bunch of tuning for network hashes using big porn site
> data sets. Random it was not.
> 

I ran my tests with non random IPV4 addresses, as I had 2 hosts,
one server, one client. (typical benchmark stuff)

The only 'random' part was the ports, so maybe ~20 bits of entropy,
considering how we allocate ports during connect() to a given
destination to avoid port reuse.

> It's probably hard to repeat that exercise now with geo specific routing,
> and all the front end caches and redirectors on big sites but I'd
> strongly suggest random input is not a good test, and also that you need
> to worry more about hash attacks than perfect distributions.

Anyway, the exercise is not to find a hash that exactly splits 128 flows
into 16 buckets, according to the number of flows per bucket.

Maybe only 4 flows are sending at 3Gbits, and others are sending at 100
kbits. There is no way the driver can predict the future.

This is why we prefer to select a queue given the cpu sending the
packet. This permits a natural shift based on actual load, and is the
default on linux (see XPS in Documentation/networking/scaling.txt)

Only this driver has a selection based on a flow 'hash'.



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