netdev - Re: custom ioctl-based interface to control LED in networking (was Re: [PATCHv2 09/10] rfkill: Userspace control for airplane mode)

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Date:	Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:01:37 +0100
From:	Johannes Berg <johannes@...solutions.net>
To:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, rpurdie@...ys.net,
	j.anaszewski@...sung.com, linux-leds@...r.kernel.org
Cc:	João Paulo Rechi Vita <jprvita@...il.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@...radead.org>,
	linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	platform-driver-x86@...r.kernel.org, linux-api@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux@...lessm.com,
	João Paulo Rechi Vita 
	<jprvita@...lessm.com>
Subject: Re: custom ioctl-based interface to control LED in networking (was
 Re: [PATCHv2 09/10] rfkill: Userspace control for airplane mode)

On Wed, 2016-02-24 at 11:46 +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:

> If you want different trigger, implement different trigger. If you
> want to indicate all but wifi, implement all but wifi, and then
> userspace can select it by writing trigger name. 

This is still mostly a strawman, since userspace cannot have a database
of LEDs that indicate airplane mode.

I'm sure you'd also not like to see 2**7 triggers implemented in rfkill
to cover all the possibilities.

> If you want complete
> userspace control, fine, but we have standard interface and it is not
> ioctl.

The "standard interface" is usable if you really just want to driver a
single LED and you know which one.

I think you're looking at this the wrong way, focusing too much on the
LED aspect.

Really what you have here is a concept of "airplane mode", and that
concept is specific to the rfkill subsystem. This happens to affect
mostly an LED trigger, today, but as a concept it's something that
*should* be managed within the rfkill subsystem.

> Besides, the series really should have been Cc-ed to LED
> people, too.

That's simply unreasonable, you're essentially saying that any user of
any kernel infrastructure should be Cc'ed to the implementer of that
infrastructure... 9/10 patches in this series aren't even LED specific,
only the *previous* patch, the one that tied the "airplane mode"
concept to an LED trigger in a very standard way had anything to do
with LED triggers at all.

johannes