netdev - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] selinux: avoid nf hooks overhead when not needed

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Message-ID: <57110EB2.5050408@schaufler-ca.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:54:26 -0700
From:	Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>
To:	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>, Paul Moore <paul@...l-moore.com>
Cc:	Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de>,
	linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	James Morris <james.l.morris@...cle.com>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@...hat.com>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@...ho.nsa.gov>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	selinux@...ho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] selinux: avoid nf hooks overhead when not needed

On 4/15/2016 2:38 AM, Paolo Abeni wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-04-14 at 18:53 -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com> wrote:
>>> Will be ok if we post a v2 version of this series, removing the hooks
>>> de-registration bits, but preserving the selinux nf-hooks and
>>> socket_sock_rcv_skb() on-demand/delayed registration ? Will that fit
>>> with the post-init read only memory usage that you are planning ?
>> The work Florian and and I were talking about would be limited just to
>> the netfilter hooks, the LSM hooks, e.g. socket_sock_rcv_skb() and
>> friends, would remain as they are today.  What what we discussing was
>> defaulting to not registering the netfilter hooks until it became
>> necessary due to a labeled networking configuration or the
>> always_check_network policy capability; the registration of the
>> netfilter hooks would be permanent, you could not unregister the hooks
>> at that point, you would need to reboot.  Does that make sense?
> Yes, AFAIC it makes sense. I'll try to follow this route for an eventual
> v2.
>
>> As far as Casey's concerns, I don't think the work we are talking
>> about for the v2 patchset would have any effect on the socket/sock
>> security blobs as you really can't manage those adequately from the
>> netfilter hooks; you most likely will reference them and perhaps even
>> update the data within, but not allocate or free the blobs.  Besides,
>> even in some weird case you were alloc/free'ing security blobs in the
>> netfilter hooks, we can deal with that on a per-LSM basis if/when the
>> full fledged stacking patches are merged; everything we are talking
>> about is a hidden implementation detail so changing it in the future
>> shouldn't be a problem.
> Casey, are you ok with the above?

Yes. My concern is with the security module hooks. Altering
the netfilter hooks is a separate issue, and I don't have
trouble with that.

I also would not expect to see an LSM doing blob allocation
during socket delivery, but hey, it *is* networking code,
and stranger things happen all the time.

> Thank you,
>
> Paolo
>
>
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