Message-ID: <5722B511.6060401@redhat.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:12:49 +0800
From:	Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
To:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:	kvm@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	peterx@...hat.com, pbonzini@...hat.com, qemu-devel@...gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH V2 2/2] vhost: device IOTLB API



On 04/28/2016 10:43 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 02:37:16PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>
>> On 04/27/2016 07:45 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:34:34AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>> This patch tries to implement an device IOTLB for vhost. This could be
>>>> used with for co-operation with userspace(qemu) implementation of DMA
>>>> remapping.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is simple. When vhost meets an IOTLB miss, it will request
>>>> the assistance of userspace to do the translation, this is done
>>>> through:
>>>>
>>>> - Fill the translation request in a preset userspace address (This
>>>>   address is set through ioctl VHOST_SET_IOTLB_REQUEST_ENTRY).
>>>> - Notify userspace through eventfd (This eventfd was set through ioctl
>>>>   VHOST_SET_IOTLB_FD).
>>> Why use an eventfd for this?
>> The aim is to implement the API all through ioctls.
>>
>>>  We use them for interrupts because
>>> that happens to be what kvm wants, but here - why don't we
>>> just add a generic support for reading out events
>>> on the vhost fd itself?
>> I've considered this approach, but what's the advantages of this? I mean
>> looks like all other ioctls could be done through vhost fd
>> reading/writing too.
> read/write have a non-blocking flag.
>
> It's not useful for other ioctls but it's useful here.
>

Ok, this looks better.

>>>> - device IOTLB were started and stopped through VHOST_RUN_IOTLB ioctl
>>>>
>>>> When userspace finishes the translation, it will update the vhost
>>>> IOTLB through VHOST_UPDATE_IOTLB ioctl. Userspace is also in charge of
>>>> snooping the IOTLB invalidation of IOMMU IOTLB and use
>>>> VHOST_UPDATE_IOTLB to invalidate the possible entry in vhost.
>>> There's one problem here, and that is that VQs still do not undergo
>>> translation.  In theory VQ could be mapped in such a way
>>> that it's not contigious in userspace memory.
>> I'm not sure I get the issue, current vhost API support setting
>> desc_user_addr, used_user_addr and avail_user_addr independently. So
>> looks ok? If not, looks not a problem to device IOTLB API itself.
> The problem is that addresses are all HVA.
>
> Without an iommu, we ask for them to be contigious and
> since bus address == GPA, this means contigious GPA =>
> contigious HVA. With an IOMMU you can map contigious
> bus address but non contigious GPA and non contigious HVA.

Yes, so the issue is we should not reuse VHOST_SET_VRING_ADDR and invent
a new ioctl to set bus addr (guest iova). The access the VQ through
device IOTLB too.

>
> Another concern: what if guest changes the GPA while keeping bus address
> constant? Normal devices will work because they only use
> bus addresses, but virtio will break.

If we access VQ through device IOTLB too, this could be solved.

>
>
>
>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
>>> What limits amount of entries that kernel keeps around?
>> It depends on guest working set I think. Looking at
>> http://dpdk.org/doc/guides/linux_gsg/sys_reqs.html:
>>
>> - For 2MB page size in guest, it suggests hugepages=1024
>> - For 1GB page size, it suggests a hugepages=4
>>
>> So I choose 2048 to make sure it can cover this.
> 4K page size is rather common, too.

I assume hugepages is used widely, and there's a note in the above link:

"For 64-bit applications, it is recommended to use 1 GB hugepages if the
platform supports them."

For 4K case, the TLB hit rate will be very low for a large working set
even in a physical environment. Not sure we should care, if we want, we
probably can cache more translations in userspace's device IOTLB
implementation.

>
>>> Do we want at least a mod parameter for this?
>> Maybe.
>>
>>>> ---
>>>>  drivers/vhost/net.c        |   6 +-
>>>>  drivers/vhost/vhost.c      | 301 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------
>>>>  drivers/vhost/vhost.h      |  17 ++-
>>>>  fs/eventfd.c               |   3 +-
>>>>  include/uapi/linux/vhost.h |  35 ++++++
>>>>  5 files changed, 320 insertions(+), 42 deletions(-)
>>>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> +struct vhost_iotlb_entry {
>>>> +	__u64 iova;
>>>> +	__u64 size;
>>>> +	__u64 userspace_addr;
>>> Alignment requirements?
>> The API does not require any alignment. Will add a comment for this.
>>
>>>> +	struct {
>>>> +#define VHOST_ACCESS_RO      0x1
>>>> +#define VHOST_ACCESS_WO      0x2
>>>> +#define VHOST_ACCESS_RW      0x3
>>>> +		__u8  perm;
>>>> +#define VHOST_IOTLB_MISS           1
>>>> +#define VHOST_IOTLB_UPDATE         2
>>>> +#define VHOST_IOTLB_INVALIDATE     3
>>>> +		__u8  type;
>>>> +#define VHOST_IOTLB_INVALID        0x1
>>>> +#define VHOST_IOTLB_VALID          0x2
>>>> +		__u8  valid;
>>> why do we need this flag?
>> Useless, will remove.
>>
>>>> +		__u8  u8_padding;
>>>> +		__u32 padding;
>>>> +	} flags;
>>>> +};
>>>> +
>>>> +struct vhost_vring_iotlb_entry {
>>>> +	unsigned int index;
>>>> +	__u64 userspace_addr;
>>>> +};
>>>> +
>>>>  struct vhost_memory_region {
>>>>  	__u64 guest_phys_addr;
>>>>  	__u64 memory_size; /* bytes */
>>>> @@ -127,6 +153,15 @@ struct vhost_memory {
>>>>  /* Set eventfd to signal an error */
>>>>  #define VHOST_SET_VRING_ERR _IOW(VHOST_VIRTIO, 0x22, struct vhost_vring_file)
>>>>  
>>>> +/* IOTLB */
>>>> +/* Specify an eventfd file descriptor to signle on IOTLB miss */
>>> typo
>> Will fix it.
>>
>>>> +#define VHOST_SET_VRING_IOTLB_CALL _IOW(VHOST_VIRTIO, 0x23, struct      \
>>>> +                                        vhost_vring_file)
>>>> +#define VHOST_SET_VRING_IOTLB_REQUEST _IOW(VHOST_VIRTIO, 0x25, struct   \
>>>> +                                           vhost_vring_iotlb_entry)
>>>> +#define VHOST_UPDATE_IOTLB _IOW(VHOST_VIRTIO, 0x24, struct vhost_iotlb_entry)
>>>> +#define VHOST_RUN_IOTLB _IOW(VHOST_VIRTIO, 0x26, int)
>>>> +
>>> Is the assumption that userspace must dedicate a thread to running the iotlb? 
>>> I dislike this one.
>>> Please support asynchronous APIs at least optionally to make
>>> userspace make its own threading decisions.
>> Nope, my qemu patches does not use a dedicated thread. This API is used
>> to start or top DMAR according to e.g whether guest enable DMAR for
>> intel IOMMU.
> I see. Seems rather confusing - do we need to start/stop it
> while device is running?

Technically, guest driver (e.g intel ioomu) can stop DMAR at any time.

>
>>>>  /* VHOST_NET specific defines */
>>>>  
>>>>  /* Attach virtio net ring to a raw socket, or tap device.
>>> Don't we need a feature bit for this?
>> Yes we need it. The feature bit is not considered in this patch and
>> looks like it was still under discussion. After we finalize it, I will add.
>>
>>> Are we short on feature bits? If yes maybe it's time to add
>>> something like PROTOCOL_FEATURES that we have in vhost-user.
>>>
>> I believe it can just work like VERSION_1, or is there anything I missed?
> VERSION_1 is a virtio feature though. This one would be backend specific
> ...

Any differences? Consider we want feature to be something like
VIRTIO_F_HOST_IOMMU, vhost could just add this to VHOST_FEATURES?

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