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Date:	Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:19:26 -0500
From:	"Andrew F. Davis" <afd@...com>
To:	Mugunthan V N <mugunthanvnm@...com>,
	Schuyler Patton <spatton@...com>,
	Ivan Khoronzhuk <ivan.khoronzhuk@...aro.org>,
	<linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] net: ethernet: ti: cpsw: delete rx_descs property

On 06/13/2016 03:22 AM, Mugunthan V N wrote:
> On Saturday 11 June 2016 04:34 AM, Schuyler Patton wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/08/2016 07:03 PM, Ivan Khoronzhuk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09.06.16 02:11, Schuyler Patton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06/08/2016 09:06 AM, Ivan Khoronzhuk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08.06.16 17:01, Ivan Khoronzhuk wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Schuyer,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07.06.16 18:26, Schuyler Patton wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/07/2016 08:59 AM, Ivan Khoronzhuk wrote:
>>>>>>>> There is no reason in rx_descs property because davinici_cpdma
>>>>>>>> driver splits pool of descriptors equally between tx and rx
>>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>> So, this patch series makes driver to use available number of
>>>>>>>> descriptors for rx channels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with the idea of consolidating how the descriptors are
>>>>>>> defined because of
>>>>>>> the two variable components, number and size of the pool can be
>>>>>>> confusing to
>>>>>>> end users. I would like to request to change how it is being
>>>>>>> proposed here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the number of descriptors should be left in the device
>>>>>>> tree source file as
>>>>>>> is and remove the BD size variable and have the driver calculate
>>>>>>> the size of the
>>>>>>> pool necessary to support the descriptor request. From an user
>>>>>>> perspective it is
>>>>>>> easier I think to be able to list the number of descriptors
>>>>>>> necessary vs. the size
>>>>>>> of the pool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since the patch series points out how it is used so in the driver
>>>>>>> so to make that
>>>>>>> consistent is perhaps change rx_descs to total_descs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Schuyler
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The DT entry for cpsw doesn't have property for size of the pool.
>>>>>> It contains only BD ram size, if you mean this. The size of the
>>>>>> pool is
>>>>>> software decision. Current version of DT entry contain only rx desc
>>>>>> number.
>>>>>> That is not correct, as it depends on the size of the descriptor,
>>>>>> which is also
>>>>>> h/w parameter. The DT entry has to describe only h/w part and
>>>>>> shouldn't contain
>>>>>> driver implementation details, and I'm looking on it from this
>>>>>> perspective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, rx_descs describes only rx number of descriptors, that are
>>>>>> taken from
>>>>>> the same pool as tx descriptors, and setting rx desc to some new
>>>>>> value doesn't
>>>>>> mean that rest of them are freed for tx. Also, I'm going to send
>>>>>> series that
>>>>>> adds multi channel support to the driver, and in this case,
>>>>>> splitting of the
>>>>>> pool will be more sophisticated than now, after what setting those
>>>>>> parameters
>>>>>> for user (he should do this via device tree) can be even more
>>>>>> confusing. But,
>>>>> should -> shouldn't
>>>>>
>>>>>> as it's supposed, it's software decision that shouldn't leak to the
>>>>>> DT.
>>>>
>>>> If this rx-desc field is removed how will the number of descriptors
>>>> be set?
>>>>
>>>> This field has been used to increase the number of descriptors so high
>>>> volume short packets are not dropped due to descriptor exhaustion.
>>>> The current
>>>> default number of 64 rx descriptors is too low for gigabit networks.
>>>> Some users
>>>> have a strong requirement for zero loss of UDP packets setting this
>>>> field to a
>>>> larger number and setting the descriptors off-chip was a means to solve
>>>> the problem.
>>> The current implementation of cpdma driver splits descs num on 2 parts
>>> equally.
>>> Total number = 256, then 128 reserved for rx and 128 for tx, but
>>> setting this to
>>> 64, simply limits usage of reserved rx descriptors to 64, so that:
>>> 64 rx descs, 128 tx descs and 64 are always present in the pool but
>>> cannot be used,
>>> (as new rx descriptor is allocated only after previous was freed).
>>> That means, 64 rx descs are unused. In case of rx descriptor
>>> exhaustion, an user can
>>> set rx_descs to 128, for instance, in this case all descriptors will
>>> be in use, but then question,
>>> why intentionally limit number of rx descs, anyway rest 64 descs
>>> cannot be used for other
>>> purposes. In case of this patch, all rx descs are in use, and no need
>>> to correct number
>>> of rx descs anymore, use all of them....and it doesn't have impact on
>>> performance, as
>>> anyway, bunch of rx descs were simply limited by DT and unused. So,
>>> probably, there is no
>>> reason to worry about that.
>>
>> When we see this issue we set the descriptors to DDR and put a large number
>> in the desc count. unfortunately I wish I could provide a number,
>> usually the issue
>> is a volume burst of short UDP packets.
>>
>>>
>>> PS:
>>> It doesn't concern this patch, but, which PPS makes rx descs to be
>>> exhausted?...
>>> (In this case "desc_alloc_fail" counter contains some value for rx
>>> channel,
>>> and can be read with "ethtool -S eth0". Also, the user will be WARNed
>>> ON by the driver)
>>>
>>> it's interesting to test it, I'm worrying about, because in case of
>>> multichannel,
>>> the pool is split between all channels... they are throughput limited,
>>> but
>>> anyway, it's good to correlate the number of descs with throughput
>>> assigned to
>>> a channel, if possible. That has to be possible, if setting to 128
>>> helps, then
>>> has to be value between 64 and 128 to make handling of rx packets fast
>>> enough.
>>> After what, can be calculated correlation between number of rx descs
>>> and throughput
>>> split between channels....
>>
>> With gigabit networks 64 or 128 rx descriptors is not going to enough to
>> fix the
>> DMA overrun problem. Usually we set this number to an arbitrarily large
>> 2000
>> descriptors in external DDR to demonstrate it is possible to not drop
>> packets. All
>> this does is move the problem higher up so that the drops occur in network
>> stack if the ARM is overloaded. With the high speed networks I would like
>> to propose that the descriptor pool or pools are moved to DDR by
>> default. It would
>> be nice to have some reconfigurability or set a pool size that reduces
>> or eliminates
>> the DMA issue that is seen in these types of applications.
>>
>> This test gets used a lot, which is to send very short UDP packets. If I
>> have the math
>> right, a 52 byte (64 byte with the inter-frame gap) UDP packet the
>> default 64
>> descriptors gets consumed in roughly 33uS. There are the switch fifos
>> which will also
>> allow some headroom, but a user was dropping packets at the switch when
>> they
>> were bursting 360 packets at the processor on a gigabit link
>>
> 
> I too agree that rx-descs can be derived from the pool size and
> descriptor size in driver itself. The current driver uses bd_ram_size to
> set the pool size when the descriptors are placed in DDR which is wrong.
> 
> Here I propose an idea to solve Schuyler's concern to keep the
> descriptors in DDR when a system need more rx descriptors for lossless
> UDB performance.
> 
> The DT property rx-descs can be removed and add a new DT property
> *pool_size* to add support for descriptors memory size in DDR and define
> a pool size which the system needs for a network to have lossless UDP
> transfers.
> 

I second the pool_size property, but being purely a driver configuration
setting based on expected network environment and not a HW description
it should probably be a module parameter, not DT property.

Andrew

> So based on no_bd_ram DT entry, the driver can decide whether it can use
> internal BD-ram or DDR to initialize the cpdma driver.
> 
> Regards
> Mugunthan V N

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