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Date:   Sat, 27 Aug 2016 23:14:39 +0200
From:   Mickaël Salaün <mic@...ikod.net>
To:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Cc:     linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Daniel Mack <daniel@...que.org>,
        "David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Sargun Dhillon <sargun@...gun.me>,
        kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com, linux-api@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, cgroups@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 09/10] landlock: Handle cgroups (performance)


On 27/08/2016 22:43, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 09:35:14PM +0200, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
>> On 27/08/2016 20:06, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 04:06:38PM +0200, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
>>>> As said above, Landlock will not run an eBPF programs when not strictly
>>>> needed. Attaching to a cgroup will have the same performance impact as
>>>> attaching to a process hierarchy.
>>>
>>> Having a prog per cgroup per lsm_hook is the only scalable way I
>>> could come up with. If you see another way, please propose.
>>> current->seccomp.landlock_prog is not the answer.
>>
>> Hum, I don't see the difference from a performance point of view between
>> a cgroup-based or a process hierarchy-based system.
>>
>> Maybe a better option should be to use an array of pointers with N
>> entries, one for each supported hook, instead of a unique pointer list?
> 
> yes, clearly array dereference is faster than link list walk.
> Now the question is where to keep this prog_array[num_lsm_hooks] ?
> Since we cannot keep it inside task_struct, we have to allocate it.
> Every time the task is creted then. What to do on the fork? That
> will require changes all over. Then the obvious optimization would be
> to share this allocated array of prog pointers across multiple tasks...
> and little by little this new facility will look like cgroup.
> Hence the suggestion to put this array into cgroup from the start.

I see your point :)

> 
>> Anyway, being able to attach an LSM hook program to a cgroup thanks to
>> the new BPF_PROG_ATTACH seems a good idea (while keeping the possibility
>> to use a process hierarchy). The downside will be to handle an LSM hook
>> program which is not triggered by a seccomp-filter, but this should be
>> needed anyway to handle interruptions.
> 
> what do you mean 'not triggered by seccomp' ?
> You're not suggesting that this lsm has to enable seccomp to be functional?
> imo that's non starter due to overhead.

Yes, for now, it is triggered by a new seccomp filter return value
RET_LANDLOCK, which can take a 16-bit value called cookie. This must not
be needed but could be useful to bind a seccomp filter security policy
with a Landlock one. Waiting for Kees's point of view…



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