netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next V3 4/4] net/sched: Introduce act_tunnel

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Message-ID: <CAM_iQpV=iCa_nyNRaTE=qkZvw+44mzN8sY01su0pLi2yqqpVmA@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Sun, 28 Aug 2016 22:04:21 -0700
From:   Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com>
To:     Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>
Cc:     Hadar Hen Zion <hadarh@...lanox.com>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Jiri Pirko <jiri@...lanox.com>, Jiri Benc <jbenc@...hat.com>,
        Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@...atatu.com>,
        Shmulik Ladkani <shmulik.ladkani@...il.com>,
        Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>,
        Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@...lanox.com>,
        Amir Vadai <amirva@...lanox.com>, Amir Vadai <amir@...ai.me>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next V3 4/4] net/sched: Introduce act_tunnel_key

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-08-26 at 11:26 -0700, Cong Wang wrote:
>> 1) Currently there are only a few actions using lockless, and they are
>> questionable, as we already discussed before, there could be some
>> race condition when you modify an existing action.
>
> There is no fundamental issue with a race condition.

For mirred action, maybe. As we already discussed, the more
complex an action is, the harder to make it lockless in your
way (that is, not using RCU)

>
> Sure, there are races, but they have no serious effect.
>
> Feel free to send a fix if you really have time to spare.

It's because the code is written by you?

I am surprised how you try to hide your own problem in
such a way...

>
>>
>> 2) We need to change the tc action API in order to fully support RCU,
>> which is what I have been working on these days. I should come up
>> with something next Monday (if not this weekend).
>>
>> So for this patchset, using spinlock is fine, just as many other actions.
>> I will take care of it later.
>
> This is _not_ fine.

OK, so where are your patches to make the rest actions
lockless?

>
> We are in 2016, not in 1995 anymore.
>

Fair enough, sounds like all actions are already lockless in
fast path now in 2016, you know this is not true...

> We are not adding a spinlock in a hot path unless absolutely needed.

If it is bug-free, yes, I am totally with you. I care about corretness
more than any performance.

>
> With multi queue NIC, this spinlock is going to hurt performance so much
> that this action wont be used by any serious user.

We have used mirred action even before you make it lockless.

>
> Here, it is absolutely trivial to use RCU and/or percpu counters.

Sounds like we don't need any API change, why not go ahead
and try it? Please do teach me how to modify an existing
action in a lockless way without changing any API (and of course
needs to be bug-free), I am very happy to learn your "trivial" way
to fix this, since I don't have any trivial fix.

Please, stop bullsh*t, show me your trivial code.