netdev - Re: [RFC v3 18/22] cgroup,landlock: Add CGRP_NO_NEW

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Date:   Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:27:48 -0700
From:   Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:     Mickaël Salaün <mic@...ikod.net>
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Subject: Re: [RFC v3 18/22] cgroup,landlock: Add CGRP_NO_NEW_PRIVS to handle
 unprivileged hooks

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Mickaël Salaün <mic@...ikod.net> wrote:
> Add a new flag CGRP_NO_NEW_PRIVS for each cgroup. This flag is initially
> set for all cgroup except the root. The flag is clear when a new process
> without the no_new_privs flags is attached to the cgroup.
>
> If a cgroup is landlocked, then any new attempt, from an unprivileged
> process, to attach a process without no_new_privs to this cgroup will
> be denied.

Until and unless everyone can agree on a way to properly namespace,
delegate, etc cgroups, I think that trying to add unprivileged
semantics to cgroups is nuts.  Given the big thread about cgroup v2,
no-internal-tasks, etc, I just don't see how this approach can be
viable.

Can we try to make landlock work completely independently of cgroups
so that it doesn't get stuck and so that programs can use it without
worrying about cgroup v1 vs v2, interactions with cgroup managers,
cgroup managers that (supposedly?) will start migrating processes
around piecemeal and almost certainly blowing up landlock in the
process, etc?

I have no problem with looking at prototypes for how landlock +
cgroups would work, but I can't imagine the result being mergeable.