Message-ID: <581ADCD1.3040404@gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:44:33 -0700
From:   John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>
To:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
        Shrijeet Mukherjee <shm@...ulusnetworks.com>
Cc:     Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>,
        Thomas Graf <tgraf@...g.ch>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@...pl>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, alexander.duyck@...il.com,
        shrijeet@...il.com, tom@...bertland.com, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>,
        Nikolay Aleksandrov <nikolay@...ulusnetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next RFC WIP] Patch for XDP support for virtio_net

On 16-11-02 09:11 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 02, 2016 at 06:28:34PM -0700, Shrijeet Mukherjee wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer [mailto:brouer@...hat.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 7:27 AM
>>> To: Thomas Graf <tgraf@...g.ch>
>>> Cc: Shrijeet Mukherjee <shm@...ulusnetworks.com>; Alexei Starovoitov
>>> <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>; Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@...pl>; John
>>> Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>; David Miller
>>> <davem@...emloft.net>; alexander.duyck@...il.com; mst@...hat.com;
>>> shrijeet@...il.com; tom@...bertland.com; netdev@...r.kernel.org;
>>> Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>; Nikolay Aleksandrov
>>> <nikolay@...ulusnetworks.com>; brouer@...hat.com
>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next RFC WIP] Patch for XDP support for
>> virtio_net
>>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:25:14 +0200
>>> Thomas Graf <tgraf@...g.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/28/16 at 08:51pm, Shrijeet Mukherjee wrote:
>>>>> Generally agree, but SRIOV nics with multiple queues can end up in a
>>>>> bad spot if each buffer was 4K right ? I see a specific page pool to
>>>>> be used by queues which are enabled for XDP as the easiest to swing
>>>>> solution that way the memory overhead can be restricted to enabled
>>>>> queues and shared access issues can be restricted to skb's using
>> that
>>> pool no ?
>>>
>>> Yes, that is why that I've been arguing so strongly for having the
>> flexibility to
>>> attach a XDP program per RX queue, as this only change the memory model
>>> for this one queue.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Isn't this clearly a must anyway? I may be missing something
>>>> fundamental here so please enlighten me :-)
>>>>
>>>> If we dedicate a page per packet, that could translate to 14M*4K worth
>>>> of memory being mapped per second for just a 10G NIC under DoS attack.
>>>> How can one protect such as system? Is the assumption that we can
>>>> always drop such packets quickly enough before we start dropping
>>>> randomly due to memory pressure? If a handshake is required to
>>>> determine validity of a packet then that is going to be difficult.
>>>
>>> Under DoS attacks you don't run out of memory, because a diverse set of
>>> socket memory limits/accounting avoids that situation.  What does happen
>>> is the maximum achievable PPS rate is directly dependent on the
>>> time you spend on each packet.   This use of CPU resources (and
>>> hitting mem-limits-safe-guards) push-back on the drivers speed to
>> process
>>> the RX ring.  In effect, packets are dropped in the NIC HW as RX-ring
>> queue
>>> is not emptied fast-enough.
>>>
>>> Given you don't control what HW drops, the attacker will "successfully"
>>> cause your good traffic to be among the dropped packets.
>>>
>>> This is where XDP change the picture. If you can express (by eBPF) a
>> filter
>>> that can separate "bad" vs "good" traffic, then you can take back
>> control.
>>> Almost like controlling what traffic the HW should drop.
>>> Given the cost of XDP-eBPF filter + serving regular traffic does not use
>> all of
>>> your CPU resources, you have overcome the attack.
>>>
>>> --
>> Jesper,  John et al .. to make this a little concrete I am going to spin
>> up a v2 which has only bigbuffers mode enabled for xdp acceleration, all
>> other modes will reject the xdp ndo ..
>>
>> Do we have agreement on that model ?
>>
>> It will need that all vhost implementations will need to start with
>> mergeable buffers disabled to get xdp goodness, but that sounds like a
>> safe thing to do for now ..
> 
> It's ok for experimentation, but really after speaking with Alexei it's
> clear to me that xdp should have a separate code path in the driver,
> e.g. the separation between modes is something that does not
> make sense for xdp.
> 
> The way I imagine it working:

OK I tried to make some sense out of this and get it working,

> 
> - when XDP is attached disable all LRO using VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_GUEST_OFFLOADS_SET
>   (not used by driver so far, designed to allow dynamic LRO control with
>    ethtool)

I see there is a UAPI bit for this but I guess we also need to add
support to vhost as well? Seems otherwise we may just drop a bunch
of packets on the floor out of handle_rx() when recvmsg returns larger
than a page size. Or did I read this wrong...

> - start adding page-sized buffers

I started to mangle add_recvbuf_big() and receive_big() here and this
didn't seem too bad.

> - do something with non-page-sized buffers added previously - what
>   exactly? copy I guess? What about LRO packets that are too large -
>   can we drop or can we split them up?

hmm not sure I understand this here. With LRO disabled and mergeable
buffers disabled all packets should fit in a page correct?

With LRO enabled case I guess to start with we block XDP from being
loaded for the same reason we don't allow jumbo frames on physical
nics.

> 
> I'm fine with disabling XDP for some configurations as the first step,
> and we can add that support later.
> 

In order for this to work though I guess we need to be able to
dynamically disable mergeable buffers at the moment I just commented
it out of the features list and fixed up virtio_has_features so it
wont bug_on.

> Ideas about mergeable buffers (optional):
> 
> At the moment mergeable buffers can't be disabled dynamically.
> They do bring a small benefit for XDP if host MTU is large (see below)
> and aren't hard to support:
> - if header is by itself skip 1st page
> - otherwise copy all data into first page
> and it's nicer not to add random limitations that require guest reboot.
> It might make sense to add a command that disables/enabled
> mergeable buffers dynamically but that's for newer hosts.

Yep it seems disabling mergeable buffers solves this but didn't look at
it too closely. I'll look closer tomorrow.

> 
> Spec does not require it but in practice most hosts put all data
> in the 1st page or all in the 2nd page so the copy will be nop
> for these cases.
> 
> Large host MTU - newer hosts report the host MTU, older ones don't.
> Using mergeable buffers we can at least detect this case
> (and then what? drop I guess).
> 

The physical nics just refuse to load XDP with large MTU. Any reason
not to negotiate the mtu with the guest so that the guest can force
this?

> 
> 
> 

Thanks,
John

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