netdev - Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS

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Date:   Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:21:39 +0100
From:   Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>
To:     Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
Cc:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
        Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@...ibm.com>,
        "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Davidlohr Bueso <dave@...olabs.net>, dbueso@...e.de,
        jasowang@...hat.com, KVM list <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Paul McKenney <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE()

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 01:44:04PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 01:40:44PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> > #define SINGLE_LOAD(x)                                              \
>> > {(                                                          \
>> >     compiletime_assert_atomic_type(typeof(x));              \
>>
>> Should be:
>>
>>       compiletime_assert_atomic_type(x);
>>
>> >     WARN_SINGLE_COPY_ALIGNMENT(&(x));                       \
>
> Do we need to worry about the side effect on x? Maybe
>
> #define SINGLE_LOAD(x)                                  \
> ({                                                      \
>         typeof(x) *_____ptr;                            \
>                                                         \
>         compiletime_assert_atomic_type(typeof(x));      \
>                                                         \
>         _____ptr = &(x);                                \
>                                                         \
>         WARN_SINGLE_COPY_ALIGNMENT(_____ptr);           \
>                                                         \
>         READ_ONCE(*_____ptr);                           \
> })
>
> Ditto for SINGLE_STORE()
>
> Regards,
> Boqun
>
>> >     READ_ONCE(x);                                           \
>> > })
>> >
>> > #define SINGLE_STORE(x, v)                                  \
>> > ({                                                          \
>> >     compiletime_assert_atomic_type(typeof(x));              \
>>
>> idem
>>
>> >     WARN_SINGLE_COPY_ALIGNMENT(&(x));                       \
>> >     WRITE_ONCE(x, v);                                       \
>> > })


READ/WRITE_ONCE imply atomicity. Even if their names don't spell it (a
function name doesn't have to spell all of its guarantees). Most of
the uses of READ/WRITE_ONCE will be broken if they are not atomic.
"Read once but not necessary atomically" is a very subtle primitive
which is very easy to misuse. What are use cases for such primitive
that won't be OK with "read once _and_ atomically"? Copy to/from user
is obviously one such case, but it is already handled specially.