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Message-ID: <20161125163220.GB30181@leverpostej>
Date:   Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:32:21 +0000
From:   Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>,
        Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>,
        Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@...ibm.com>,
        "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Davidlohr Bueso <dave@...olabs.net>, dbueso@...e.de,
        jasowang@...hat.com, KVM list <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Paul McKenney <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE()

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 05:17:09PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:10:04PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:21:39PM +0100, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> 
> > > What are use cases for such primitive that won't be OK with "read once
> > > _and_ atomically"?
> > 
> > I have none to hand.
> 
> Whatever triggers the __builtin_memcpy() paths, and even the size==8
> paths on 32bit.

Lockref, per:

http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1503.3/02294.html

In that specific case, a torn value just means we'll retry until we get
a non torn value, due to the cmpxchg. For that case, all we need is the
value to be reloaded per invocation of READ_ONCE().

This guy seems to have the full story:

http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1503.3/02389.html
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1503.3/02558.html

Thanks,
Mark.