netdev - Re: AF_VSOCK network namespace support

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Message-ID: <20161129150945.GE1300@stefanha-x1.localdomain>
Date:   Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:09:45 +0000
From:   Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@...hat.com>
To:     "Jorgen S. Hansen" <jhansen@...are.com>
Cc:     "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "imbrenda@...ux.vnet.ibm.com" <imbrenda@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: AF_VSOCK network namespace support

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 03:24:36PM +0000, Jorgen S. Hansen wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@...hat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Jorgen,
> > There are two use cases where network namespace support in AF_VSOCK
> > could be useful:
> > 
> > 1. Claudio Imbrenda pointed out that a machine cannot act as both host
> >   and guest at the same time.  This is necessary for nested
> >   virtualization.  Currently only one transport (the host side or the
> >   guest side) can be registered at a time.
> 
> VMCI based AF_VSOCK relies on the VMCI driver for nested virtualization support. The VMCI driver is a combined host/guest driver with a routing component, that will either direct traffic to VMs managed by the host “personality” of the driver, or to the outer host. So any VMCI driver driver is able to function simultaneously as both a guest and a host driver - exactly to be able to support nested virtualization.
> 
> Since, for VMCI based vSocket, the host has a fixed CID (2), any traffic generated by an application inside a VM destined for CID 2 will be routed out of the VM (to the host - either a virtual or physical one). Any traffic for a CID > 2 will be directed towards VMs managed by the host personality of the VMCI driver.
> 
> Since VMCI predates nested virtualization, the solution above was partly a result of having to support existing configurations in a transparent way.

Thanks for your reply.

It seems like a reasonable solution.  We could do something similar for
virtio.

> > 2. Users may wish to isolate the AF_VSOCK address namespace so that two
> >   VMs have completely independent CID and ports (they could even use
> >   the same CID and ports because they're in separate namespaces).  This
> >   ensures that a host service visible to VM1 is not automatically
> >   visible to VM2.
> 
> If the goal is to provide fine grained service access control, won’t this end up requiring a namespace per VM? For ESX, we have a mechanism to tag VMs that allows them to be granted access to a service offered through AF_VSOCK, but this is not part of the Linux hypervisor.

Yes it would and using one network namespace per VM is a bit clumsy
because it means IP networking (e.g. for libiscsi or GlusterFS) needs to
be configured carefully so that external network connectivity works
(using a veth interface).

I did think about netfilter support but one of the main reasons for
using AF_VSOCK vs Ethernet is to avoid user firewall rules from
disrupting hypervisor services :).

> If the intent is to be able to support multi tenancy, then this sounds like a better fit. Also, in the multi tenancy case, isolating the other AFs is probably what you want as well.

Eventually multi-tenancy might be interesting but just fine-grained
service access control would be enough for most cases.

Stefan

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