netdev - Re: [PATCH v7 3/6] random: use SipHash in place of MD5

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Date:   Wed, 21 Dec 2016 15:42:38 -0800
From:   Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:     "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>
Cc:     Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
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        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@...il.com>,
        Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>,
        Andi Kleen <ak@...ux.intel.com>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 3/6] random: use SipHash in place of MD5

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@...c4.com> wrote:
>  unsigned int get_random_int(void)
>  {
> -       __u32 *hash;
> -       unsigned int ret;
> -
> -       if (arch_get_random_int(&ret))
> -               return ret;
> -
> -       hash = get_cpu_var(get_random_int_hash);
> -
> -       hash[0] += current->pid + jiffies + random_get_entropy();
> -       md5_transform(hash, random_int_secret);
> -       ret = hash[0];
> -       put_cpu_var(get_random_int_hash);
> -
> -       return ret;
> +       unsigned int arch_result;
> +       u64 result;
> +       struct random_int_secret *secret;
> +
> +       if (arch_get_random_int(&arch_result))
> +               return arch_result;
> +
> +       secret = get_random_int_secret();
> +       result = siphash_3u64(secret->chaining, jiffies,
> +                             (u64)random_get_entropy() + current->pid,
> +                             secret->secret);
> +       secret->chaining += result;
> +       put_cpu_var(secret);
> +       return result;
>  }
>  EXPORT_SYMBOL(get_random_int);

Hmm.  I haven't tried to prove anything for real.  But here goes (in
the random oracle model):

Suppose I'm an attacker and I don't know the secret or the chaining
value.  Then, regardless of what the entropy is, I can't predict the
numbers.

Now suppose I do know the secret and the chaining value due to some
leak.  If I want to deduce prior outputs, I think I'm stuck: I'd need
to find a value "result" such that prev_chaining + result = chaining
and result = H(prev_chaining, ..., secret);.  I don't think this can
be done efficiently in the random oracle model regardless of what the
"..." is.

But, if I know the secret and chaining value, I can predict the next
output assuming I can guess the entropy.  What's worse is that, even
if I can't guess the entropy, if I *observe* the next output then I
can calculate the next chaining value.

So this is probably good enough, and making it better is hard.  Changing it to:

u64 entropy = (u64)random_get_entropy() + current->pid;
result = siphash(..., entropy, ...);
secret->chaining += result + entropy;

would reduce this problem by forcing an attacker to brute-force the
entropy on each iteration, which is probably an improvement.

To fully fix it, something like "catastrophic reseeding" would be
needed, but that's hard to get right.

(An aside: on x86 at least, using two percpu variables is faster
because directly percpu access is essentially free, whereas getting
the address of a percpu variable is not free.)