netdev - Re: Focusing the XDP project

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Message-ID: <CALx6S34HarCtNp8EwTQaw+pqT2O4hgydnC3f8bhaD6RrOphJ3g@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:23:57 -0800
From:   Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>
To:     David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Cc:     Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@...lanox.com>,
        Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>,
        Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
        john fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
        Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Brenden Blanco <bblanco@...il.com>
Subject: Re: Focusing the XDP project

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:11 AM, David Miller <davem@...emloft.net> wrote:
> From: Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 09:40:17 -0800
>
>> I'd be more supportive of this line of thinking if we (e.g. FB) didn't
>> have to spend the majority time over the past few months trying to
>> deal with all the complexity being thrown into drivers for all these
>> new features such as XDP. Case in point, Mellanox drivers are
>> completely non-modular and have a horrible directory structure. They
>> tried to fix, this but the patch set was rejected because it would
>> break people trying to do backports. That's a fair argument, but the
>> lesson I gather from that is that we should put more time in up front
>> thinking about how to structure code the right way instead of just
>> throwing it in and trying to deal with the consequences later.
>
> Hey aren't you guys suffering from this because you're stuck on an
> older kernel for one reason or another?  Don't we constantly give
> the Android guys a hard time about this? ;-)

Ha, isn't "everyone is stuck on an older kernel for one reason or
another" a metaphor for life? ;-) Backports/rebases/maintainence/bug
fixing/testing are the unglamorous realities of kernel engineers
trying to deploy in production!