Message-ID: <022c8af3-e7e7-5d35-5152-cb12e90359ef@redhat.com>
Date:   Fri, 21 Apr 2017 09:08:21 -0400
From:   Vlad Yasevich <vyasevic@...hat.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>,
        Vladislav Yasevich <vyasevich@...il.com>,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org
Cc:     virtio-dev@...ts.oasis-open.org, mst@...hat.com,
        maxime.coquelin@...hat.com,
        virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC (resend) net-next 0/6] virtio-net: Add support for
 virtio-net header extensions

On 04/21/2017 12:05 AM, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2017年04月20日 23:34, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>> On 04/17/2017 11:01 PM, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2017年04月16日 00:38, Vladislav Yasevich wrote:
>>>> Curreclty virtion net header is fixed size and adding things to it is rather
>>>> difficult to do.  This series attempt to add the infrastructure as well as some
>>>> extensions that try to resolve some deficiencies we currently have.
>>>>
>>>> First, vnet header only has space for 16 flags.  This may not be enough
>>>> in the future.  The extensions will provide space for 32 possbile extension
>>>> flags and 32 possible extensions.   These flags will be carried in the
>>>> first pseudo extension header, the presense of which will be determined by
>>>> the flag in the virtio net header.
>>>>
>>>> The extensions themselves will immidiately follow the extension header itself.
>>>> They will be added to the packet in the same order as they appear in the
>>>> extension flags.  No padding is placed between the extensions and any
>>>> extensions negotiated, but not used need by a given packet will convert to
>>>> trailing padding.
>>> Do we need a explicit padding (e.g an extension) which could be controlled by each side?
>> I don't think so.  The size of the vnet header is set based on the extensions negotiated.
>> The one part I am not crazy about is that in the case of packet not using any extensions,
>> the data is still placed after the entire vnet header, which essentially adds a lot
>> of padding.  However, that's really no different then if we simply grew the vnet header.
>>
>> The other thing I've tried before is putting extensions into their own sg buffer, but that
>> made it slower.h
> 
> Yes.
> 
>>
>>>> For example:
>>>>    | vnet mrg hdr | ext hdr | ext 1 | ext 2 | ext 5 | .. pad .. | packet data |
>>> Just some rough thoughts:
>>>
>>> - Is this better to use TLV instead of bitmap here? One advantage of TLV is that the
>>> length is not limited by the length of bitmap.
>> but the disadvantage is that we add at least 4 bytes per extension of just TL data.  That
>> makes this thing even longer.
> 
> Yes, and it looks like the length is still limited by e.g the length of T.

Not only that, but it is also limited by the skb->cb as a whole.  So adding putting
extensions into a TLV style means we have less extensions for now, until we get rid of
skb->cb usage.

> 
>>
>>> - For 1.1, do we really want something like vnet header? AFAIK, it was not used by modern
>>> NICs, is this better to pack all meta-data into descriptor itself? This may need a some
>>> changes in tun/macvtap, but looks more PCIE friendly.
>> That would really be ideal and I've looked at this.  There are small issues of exposing
>> the 'net metadata' of the descriptor to taps so they can be filled in.  The alternative
>> is to use a different control structure for tap->qemu|vhost channel (that can be
>> implementation specific) and have qemu|vhost populate the 'net metadata' of the descriptor.
> 
> Yes, this needs some thought. For vhost, things looks a little bit easier, we can probably
> use msg_control.
> 

We can use msg_control in qemu as well, can't we?  It really is a question of who is doing
the work and the number of copies.

I can take a closer look of how it would look if we extend the descriptor with type
specific data.  I don't know if other users of virtio would benefit from it?

-vlad
> Thanks
> 
>> Thanks
>> -vlad
>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>> Extensions proposed in this series are:
>>>>    - IPv6 fragment id extension
>>>>      * Currently, the guest generated fragment id is discarded and the host
>>>>        generates an IPv6 fragment id if the packet has to be fragmented.  The
>>>>        code attempts to add time based perturbation to id generation to make
>>>>        it harder to guess the next fragment id to be used.  However, doing this
>>>>        on the host may result is less perturbation (due to differnet timing)
>>>>        and might make id guessing easier.  Ideally, the ids generated by the
>>>>        guest should be used.  One could also argue that we a "violating" the
>>>>        IPv6 protocol in the if the _strict_ interpretation of the spec.
>>>>
>>>>    - VLAN header acceleration
>>>>      * Currently virtio doesn't not do vlan header acceleration and instead
>>>>        uses software tagging.  One of the first things that the host will do is
>>>>        strip the vlan header out.  When passing the packet the a guest the
>>>>        vlan header is re-inserted in to the packet.  We can skip all that work
>>>>        if we can pass the vlan data in accelearted format.  Then the host will
>>>>        not do any extra work.  However, so far, this yeilded a very small
>>>>        perf bump (only ~1%).  I am still looking into this.
>>>>
>>>>    - UDP tunnel offload
>>>>      * Similar to vlan acceleration, with this extension we can pass additional
>>>>        data to host for support GSO with udp tunnel and possible other
>>>>        encapsulations.  This yeilds a significant perfromance improvement
>>>>       (still testing remote checksum code).
>>>>
>>>> An addition extension that is unfinished (due to still testing for any
>>>> side-effects) is checksum passthrough to support drivers that set
>>>> CHECKSUM_COMPLETE.  This would eliminate the need for guests to compute
>>>> the software checksum.
>>>>
>>>> This series only takes care of virtio net.  I have addition patches for the
>>>> host side (vhost and tap/macvtap as well as qemu), but wanted to get feedback
>>>> on the general approach first.
>>>>
>>>> Vladislav Yasevich (6):
>>>>     virtio-net: Remove the use the padded vnet_header structure
>>>>     virtio-net: make header length handling uniform
>>>>     virtio_net: Add basic skeleton for handling vnet header extensions.
>>>>     virtio-net: Add support for IPv6 fragment id vnet header extension.
>>>>     virtio-net: Add support for vlan acceleration vnet header extension.
>>>>     virtio-net: Add support for UDP tunnel offload and extension.
>>>>
>>>>    drivers/net/virtio_net.c        | 132 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------
>>>>    include/linux/skbuff.h          |   5 ++
>>>>    include/linux/virtio_net.h      |  91 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>>>>    include/uapi/linux/virtio_net.h |  38 ++++++++++++
>>>>    4 files changed, 242 insertions(+), 24 deletions(-)
>>>>
> 

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