Message-Id: <20170504005558.GB16780@gwshan>
Date:   Thu, 4 May 2017 10:55:58 +1000
From:   Gavin Shan <gwshan@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:     Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>
Cc:     Gavin Shan <gwshan@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        joe@...ches.com, kubakici@...pl, f.fainelli@...il.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 net-next 06/10] net/ncsi: Ethtool operation to get
 NCSI hw statistics

On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 02:34:52AM +0200, Andrew Lunn wrote:
>On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 10:05:34AM +1000, Gavin Shan wrote:
>> On Wed, May 03, 2017 at 09:18:23AM -0400, David Miller wrote:
>> >From: Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>
>> >Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 14:47:22 +0200
>> >
>> >> On Wed, May 03, 2017 at 02:44:37PM +1000, Gavin Shan wrote:
>> >>> This adds ethtool command (ETHTOOL_GNCSISTATS) to retrieve the
>> >>> NCSI hardware statistics.
>> >> 
>> >> Hi Gavin
>> >> 
>> >> I've not been following this patchset, so maybe i'm about to ask a
>> >> question which has already been asked and answered.
>> >> 
>> >> Why cannot use just use ethtool -S for this?
>> >
>> >Indeed, when I said to use ethtool for these NCSI hw stats I meant
>> >that the "ethtool -S" be used, not some new ethtool command.
>> >
>> 
>> Thanks for the comments. Feel free to ask any questions which would
>> make the code clear and better. There are couple of factors I thought
>> separate command is better than ETHTOOL_GSTATS: The statistic items from
>> ETHTOOL_GSTATS are variable, meaning the kernel needs provide the layout
>> of the statistic items via ETHTOOL_GSSET_INFO and ETHTOOL_GSTRINGS.
>> NCSI HW statistics aren't following this and their layout is fixed.
>
>That does not stop you from using it for a fixed layout. And what
>happens when a new version of the standard is released with more
>statistics?
>

Correct, I don't see the difference between NCSI spec 1.01 and 1.1.0.
So I assume it's pretty stable, but still have potential to change.

I agree to collect NCSI HW statistic with ETHTOOL_GSTATS as I said
in another thread.

>> Besides, statistics for ETHTOOL_GSTATS are maintained in local MAC,
>> but NCSI HW statistics are collected from NIC on far-end. So they're
>> different from this point. 
>
>You might want to take a look at what is happening with Ethernet
>switches. Again, we have two sets of statistics for each port on the
>switch. We have the statistics from the hardware, and statistics from
>the software. Frames that come in one interface and the hardware
>forwards out another interface are not seen by the software. But
>frames which originate/terminate in the host, or the switch does not
>know what to do with and so are passed to the host, are seen by the
>software. Mellanox can tell you more. Your local and remote are not
>that different.
>

Yeah, it makes sense. Thanks for making an example here.

>> Lastly, the NCSI software statistics needs separate command. It'd
>> better to have separate command for HW statistics as well, to make
>> things consistent.
>
>Are software statistics defined in DSP0222? Since they are software, i
>kind of expect you want the flexibility to add more later. The
>ETHTOOL_GSSET_INFO and ETHTOOL_GSTRINGS gives you that flexibility,
>without having to change ethtool.
>

No, they're purely software implementation, not defined in DSP0222.
These statistics count the NCSI packets seen by software, not hardware.
It's used for diagnosis.

It's a nice suggestion to convey SW statistic with ETHTOOL_GSTATS,
ETHTOOL_GSSET_INFO and ETHTOOL_GSTRINGS, for better flexibility. I'll
follow this in next respin.

Cheers,
Gavin

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