Message-ID: <5963B81A.5070008@gmail.com>
Date:   Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:23:38 -0700
From:   John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>
To:     Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@...lanox.com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        davem@...emloft.net
CC:     brouer@...hat.com, andy@...yhouse.net, daniel@...earbox.net,
        ast@...com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 03/12] xdp: add bpf_redirect helper function

On 07/09/2017 06:37 AM, Saeed Mahameed wrote:
> 
> 
> On 7/7/2017 8:35 PM, John Fastabend wrote:
>> This adds support for a bpf_redirect helper function to the XDP
>> infrastructure. For now this only supports redirecting to the egress
>> path of a port.
>>
>> In order to support drivers handling a xdp_buff natively this patches
>> uses a new ndo operation ndo_xdp_xmit() that takes pushes a xdp_buff
>> to the specified device.
>>
>> If the program specifies either (a) an unknown device or (b) a device
>> that does not support the operation a BPF warning is thrown and the
>> XDP_ABORTED error code is returned.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>
>> Acked-by: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>
>> ---

[...]

>>
>> +static int __bpf_tx_xdp(struct net_device *dev, struct xdp_buff *xdp)
>> +{
>> +    if (dev->netdev_ops->ndo_xdp_xmit) {
>> +        dev->netdev_ops->ndo_xdp_xmit(dev, xdp);
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I have some concern here regarding synchronizing between the
> redirecting device and the target device:
> 
> if the target device's NAPI is also doing XDP_TX on the same XDP TX
> ring which this NDO might be redirecting xdp packets into the same
> ring, there would be a race accessing this ring resources (buffers
> and descriptors). Maybe you addressed this issue in the device driver
> implementation of this ndo or with some NAPI tricks/assumptions, I
> guess we have the same issue for if you run the same program to
> redirect traffic from multiple netdevices into one netdevice, how do
> you synchronize accessing this TX ring ?

The implementation uses a per cpu TX ring to resolve these races. And
the pair of driver interface API calls, xdp_do_redirect() and xdp_do_flush_map()
must be completed in a single poll() handler.

This comment was included in the header file to document this,

/* The pair of xdp_do_redirect and xdp_do_flush_map MUST be called in the
 * same cpu context. Further for best results no more than a single map
 * for the do_redirect/do_flush pair should be used. This limitation is
 * because we only track one map and force a flush when the map changes.
 * This does not appear to be a real limitation for existing software.
 */

In general some documentation about implementing XDP would probably be
useful to add in Documentation/networking but this IMO goes beyond just
this patch series.

> 
> Maybe we need some clear guidelines in this ndo documentation stating
> how to implement this ndo and what are the assumptions on those XDP
> TX redirect rings or from which context this ndo can run.
> 
> can you please elaborate.

I think the best implementation is to use a per cpu TX ring as I did in
this series. If your device is limited by the number of queues for some
reason some other scheme would need to be devised. Unfortunately, the only
thing I've come up for this case (using only this series) would both impact
performance and make the code complex.

A nice solution might be to constrain networking "tasks" to only a subset
of cores. For 64+ core systems this might be a good idea. It would allow
avoiding locking using per_cpu logic but also avoid networking consuming
slices of every core in the system. As core count goes up I think we will
eventually need to address this.I believe Eric was thinking along these
lines with his netconf talk iirc. Obviously this work is way outside the
scope of this series though.


> Thanks,
> Saeed.
> 

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