Message-ID: <59651B29.5040403@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 11 Jul 2017 11:38:33 -0700
From:   John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>
To:     Andy Gospodarek <andy@...yhouse.net>
CC:     Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@...lanox.com>,
        "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 03/12] xdp: add bpf_redirect helper function

On 07/11/2017 07:09 AM, Andy Gospodarek wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:23 PM, John Fastabend
> <john.fastabend@...il.com> wrote:
>> On 07/09/2017 06:37 AM, Saeed Mahameed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/7/2017 8:35 PM, John Fastabend wrote:
>>>> This adds support for a bpf_redirect helper function to the XDP
>>>> infrastructure. For now this only supports redirecting to the egress
>>>> path of a port.
>>>>
>>>> In order to support drivers handling a xdp_buff natively this patches
>>>> uses a new ndo operation ndo_xdp_xmit() that takes pushes a xdp_buff
>>>> to the specified device.
>>>>
>>>> If the program specifies either (a) an unknown device or (b) a device
>>>> that does not support the operation a BPF warning is thrown and the
>>>> XDP_ABORTED error code is returned.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>
>>>> Acked-by: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>
>>>> ---
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>>
>>>> +static int __bpf_tx_xdp(struct net_device *dev, struct xdp_buff *xdp)
>>>> +{
>>>> +    if (dev->netdev_ops->ndo_xdp_xmit) {
>>>> +        dev->netdev_ops->ndo_xdp_xmit(dev, xdp);
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> I have some concern here regarding synchronizing between the
>>> redirecting device and the target device:
>>>
>>> if the target device's NAPI is also doing XDP_TX on the same XDP TX
>>> ring which this NDO might be redirecting xdp packets into the same
>>> ring, there would be a race accessing this ring resources (buffers
>>> and descriptors). Maybe you addressed this issue in the device driver
>>> implementation of this ndo or with some NAPI tricks/assumptions, I
>>> guess we have the same issue for if you run the same program to
>>> redirect traffic from multiple netdevices into one netdevice, how do
>>> you synchronize accessing this TX ring ?
>>
>> The implementation uses a per cpu TX ring to resolve these races. And
>> the pair of driver interface API calls, xdp_do_redirect() and xdp_do_flush_map()
>> must be completed in a single poll() handler.
>>
>> This comment was included in the header file to document this,
>>
>> /* The pair of xdp_do_redirect and xdp_do_flush_map MUST be called in the
>>  * same cpu context. Further for best results no more than a single map
>>  * for the do_redirect/do_flush pair should be used. This limitation is
>>  * because we only track one map and force a flush when the map changes.
>>  * This does not appear to be a real limitation for existing software.
>>  */
>>
>> In general some documentation about implementing XDP would probably be
>> useful to add in Documentation/networking but this IMO goes beyond just
>> this patch series.
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe we need some clear guidelines in this ndo documentation stating
>>> how to implement this ndo and what are the assumptions on those XDP
>>> TX redirect rings or from which context this ndo can run.
>>>
>>> can you please elaborate.
>>
>> I think the best implementation is to use a per cpu TX ring as I did in
>> this series. If your device is limited by the number of queues for some
>> reason some other scheme would need to be devised. Unfortunately, the only
>> thing I've come up for this case (using only this series) would both impact
>> performance and make the code complex.
>>
>> A nice solution might be to constrain networking "tasks" to only a subset
>> of cores. For 64+ core systems this might be a good idea. It would allow
>> avoiding locking using per_cpu logic but also avoid networking consuming
>> slices of every core in the system. As core count goes up I think we will
>> eventually need to address this.I believe Eric was thinking along these
>> lines with his netconf talk iirc. Obviously this work is way outside the
>> scope of this series though.
> 
> I agree that it is outside the scope of this series, but I think it is
> important to consider the impact of the output queue selection in both
> a heterogenous and homogenous driver setup and how tx could be
> optimized or even considered to be more reliable and I think that was
> part of Saeed's point.
> 
> I got base redirect support for bnxt_en working yesterday, but for it
> and other drivers that do not necessarily create a ring/queue per core
> like ixgbe there is probably a bit more to work in each driver to
> properly track output tx rings/queues than what you have done with
> ixgbe.
> 

The problem, in my mind at least, is if you do not have a ring per core
how does the locking work? I don't see any good way to do this outside
of locking which I was trying to avoid.

.John

>>
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Saeed.
>>>

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