netdev - Re: [PATCH v6 0/3] Add new PCI_DEV_FLAGS_NO_RELAXED

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Date:   Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:46:40 +0800
From:   Ding Tianhong <dingtianhong@...wei.com>
To:     Casey Leedom <leedom@...lsio.com>,
        Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/3] Add new PCI_DEV_FLAGS_NO_RELAXED_ORDERING flag



On 2017/7/11 8:01, Casey Leedom wrote:
> 
> Hey Alexander,
> 
>   Okay, I understand your point regarding the "most likely scenario" being
> TLPs directed upstream to the Root Complex.  But I'd still like to make sure
> that we have an agreed upon API/methodology for doing Peer-to-Peer with
> Relaxed Ordering and no Relaxed Ordering to the Root Complex.  I don't see
> how the proposed APIs can be used in that fashion.
>  
>   Right now the proposed change for cxgb4 is for it to test its own PCIe
> Capability Device Control[Relaxed Ordering Enable] in order to use that
> information to program the Chelsio Hardware to emit/not emit upstream TLPs
> with the Relaxed Ordering Attribute set.  But if we're going to have the
> mixed mode situation I describe, the PCIe Capability Device Control[Relaxed
> Ordering Enable] will have to be set which means that we'll be programming
> the Chelsio Hardware to send upstream TLPs with Relaxed Ordering Enable to
> the Root Complex which is what we were trying to avoid in the first place ...
> 
>   [[ And, as I noted on Friday evening, the currect cxgb4 Driver hardwires
>      the Relaxed Ordering Enable on early dureing device probe, so that
>      would minimally need to be addressed even if we decide that we don't
>      ever want to support mixed mode Relaxed Ordering. ]]
> 
>   We need some method of telling the Chelsio Driver that it should/shouldn't
> use Relaxed Ordering with TLPs directed at the Root Complex.  And the same
> is true for a Peer PCIe Device.
> 
>   It may be that we should approach this from the completely opposite
> direction and instead of having quirks which identify problematic devices,
> have quirks which identify devices which would benefit from the use of
> Relaxed Ordering (if the sending device supports that).  That is, assume the
> using Relaxed Ordering shouldn't be done unless the target device says "I
> love Relaxed Ordering TLPs" ...  In such a world, an NVMe or a Graphics
> device might declare love of Relaxed Ordering and the same for a SPARC Root
> Complex (I think that was your example).
> 
>   By the way, the sole example of Data Corruption with Relaxed Ordering is
> the AMD A1100 ARM SoC and AMD appears to have given up on that almost as
> soon as it was released.  So what we're left with currently is a performance
> problem on modern Intel CPUs ...  (And hopefully we'll get a Technical
> Publication on that issue fairly soon.)
> 
> Casey
> 

Hi Casey:

After the long discuss, I think If the PCIe Capability Device Control[Relaxed Ordering
Enable] to be cleared when the platform's RC has some problematic for RO didn't break
anything in your driver, I think you could choose to check the
(!pci_dev_should_disable_relaxed_ordering(root)) in the code to to enable
ROOT_NO_RELAXED_ORDERING for your adapter, and enable the PCIe Capability Device Control
[Relaxed Ordering Enable] bit when you need it, I think we don't have much gap here.
And we could leave the pear-to-pear situation to be fixed later.

Thanks
Ding

> .
>