netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next] virtio-net: invoke zerocopy callback on xmit path if no tx napi

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Message-ID: <20170826022744-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Date:   Sat, 26 Aug 2017 02:32:37 +0300
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@...il.com>
Cc:     Koichiro Den <den@...ipeden.com>, Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>,
        virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] virtio-net: invoke zerocopy callback on xmit
 path if no tx napi

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 06:44:36PM -0400, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> >> >> > We don't enable network watchdog on virtio but we could and maybe
> >> >> > should.
> >> >>
> >> >> Can you elaborate?
> >> >
> >> > The issue is that holding onto buffers for very long times makes guests
> >> > think they are stuck. This is funamentally because from guest point of
> >> > view this is a NIC, so it is supposed to transmit things out in
> >> > a timely manner. If host backs the virtual NIC by something that is not
> >> > a NIC, with traffic shaping etc introducing unbounded latencies,
> >> > guest will be confused.
> >>
> >> That assumes that guests are fragile in this regard. A linux guest
> >> does not make such assumptions.
> >
> > Yes it does. Examples above:
> >         > > - a single slow flow can occupy the whole ring, you will not
> >         > >   be able to make any new buffers available for the fast flow
> 
> Oh, right. Though those are due to vring_desc pool exhaustion
> rather than an upper bound on latency of any single packet.
> 
> Limiting the number of zerocopy packets in flight to some fraction
> of the ring ensures that fast flows can always grab a slot.
> Running
> out of ubuf_info slots reverts to copy, so indirectly does this. But
> I read it correclty the zerocopy pool may be equal to or larger than
> the descriptor pool. Should we refine the zcopy_used test
> 
>     (nvq->upend_idx + 1) % UIO_MAXIOV != nvq->done_idx
> 
> to also return false if the number of outstanding ubuf_info is greater
> than, say, vq->num >> 1?


We'll need to think about where to put the threshold, but I think it's
a good idea.

Maybe even a fixed number, e.g. max(vq->num >> 1, X) to limit host
resources.

In a sense it still means once you run out of slots zcopt gets disabled possibly permanently.

Need to experiment with some numbers.

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MST