Message-ID: <59BC1AAC.3040401@iogearbox.net>
Date:   Fri, 15 Sep 2017 20:23:40 +0200
From:   Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>
To:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
        Edward Cree <ecree@...arflare.com>
CC:     Shuah Khan <shuah@...nel.org>, Thomas Meyer <thomas@...3r.de>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@...r.kernel.org,
        Shuah Khan <shuahkh@....samsung.com>,
        Networking <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: selftests/bpf doesn't compile

On 09/15/2017 08:07 PM, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 05:58:40PM +0100, Edward Cree wrote:
>> On 15/09/17 17:02, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 09:33:48AM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote:
>>>> Is bpf test intended to be run in kselftest run? The clang dependency might
>>>> not be met on majority of the systems. Is this a hard dependency??
>>> It is a hard dependency and clang should be present on majority of the systems.
>> I think this is the wrong approach.  Making kselftest hard-require clang doesn't
>>   mean that the bpf tests will be run more often, it means that the rest of the
>>   kselftests will be run less often.  clang is quite big (when I tried to install
>>   it on one of my test servers, I didn't have enough disk space & had to go on a
>>   clear-out of unused packages), and most people aren't interested in the bpf
>>   subsystem specifically; they would rather be able to skip those tests.
>> I feel that as long as they know they are skipping some tests (so e.g. they
>>   won't consider it a sufficient test of a kselftest refactor), that's fine.
>> It's not even as though all of the bpf tests require clang; the (smaller) tests
>>   written directly in raw eBPF instructions could still be run on such a system.
>>   So I think we should attempt to run as much as possible but accept that clang
>>   may not be available and have an option to skip some tests in that case.
>
> imo the value of selftests/bpf is twofold:
> 1. it helps bpf developers avoid regressions
> 2. as part of continuous integration it helps to catch bpf regressions
> that were somehow caused by changes in other parts of the kernel
>
> If a developer didn't bother to satisfy all bpf tests dependencies
> (which includes clang) and ran all tests before sending a patch,
> I don't want to see such patches. It just wastes maintainers time
> to review code and spot bugs that could have been caught by tests.
> Collectively we invested years of work into these tests and
> developers better take advantage of it by running all.

+1

> If a CI server didn't satisfy all bpf test dependencies,
> I don't want such CI setup to be running and reporting results,
> since it will give false sense of test coverage.
> Test failures due to missing dependencies are hard failures.
> We cannot skip them.

+1

> I'd like generic XDP tests to be added to selftests/bpf which
> would mean that the latest iproute2 will become a hard dependency
> and bpf developers and CI host owners would need to upgrade
> their iproute2.
> The tests either pass or fail. Skipping them due to missing
> dependencies is the same as fail and in that sense I don't want
> to change selftests/bpf/Makefile to make it skip clang.

I fully agree that for the BPF selftests it is very desirable
to not only test the verifier with couple of BPF insn snippets,
but to actually load and run programs that more closely resemble
real world programs. For more complex interactions these snippets
are just limited, think of tail calls, testing perf event output
helper, etc, which would all require to write these tests with
restricted C when we add them (unless we want to make writing
these tests a real pain ;) in which case no-one will bother to
write tests at all for them). Mid to long term I would definitely
like to see more programs in BPF selftests (e.g. moved over from
samples/bpf/) to increase the test coverage.

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