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Date:   Tue, 19 Sep 2017 08:59:28 -0700
From:   Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>
To:     Harald Welte <laforge@...monks.org>
Cc:     Tom Herbert <tom@...ntonium.net>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@...filter.org>,
        Rohit Seth <rohit@...ntonium.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 00/14] gtp: Additional feature support

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 5:43 AM, Harald Welte <laforge@...monks.org> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> first of all, thanks a lot for your patch series.  It makes me happy to
> see contributions on the GTP code :)
>
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 05:38:50PM -0700, Tom Herbert wrote:
>>   - IPv6 support
>
> see my detailed comments in other mails.  It's unfortunately only
> support for the already "deprecated" IPv6-only PDP contexts, not the
> more modern v4v6 type.  In order to interoperate with old and new
> approach, all three cases (v4, v6 and v4v6) should be supported from one
> code base.
>
It sounds like something that can be subsequently added. Do you have a
reference to the spec?

>>   - Configurable networking interfaces so that GTP kernel can be used
>>   and tested without needing GSN network emulation (i.e. no user space
>>   daemon needed).
>
> We have some pretty decent userspace utilities for configuring the GTP
> interfaces and tunnels in the libgtpnl repository, but if it helps
> people to have another way of configuration, I won't be against it.
>
AFAIK those userspace utilities don't support IPv6. Being able to
configure GTP like any other encapsulation will facilitate development
of IPv6 and other features.

> What we have to keep in mind is that the current model of 1:1 mapping of
> a "UDP socket' to a GTP netdevice is conceptually broken and needs to be
> refactored soon (without breaking backwards compatibility).  See related
> earlier discussions with patches submitted by Andreas Schultz.
>
I don't think I changed the model, so this can evolve.

> Summary:
>
> In real-world GGSNs you often want to host multiple virtual GGSNs on a
> single GGSN (= UDP socket).  Each virtual GGSN terminates into one
> external PDN (packet data network), which can be a private corporate vpn
> or any other IP network, with no routing between those networks.
>
Sounds like network virtualization and VNIs.

> Naively one would assume you "simply" run another virtual GGSN
> instance on another IP address, and then differentiate like that.
>
> However, the problem is that adding a new GGSN IP address will require
> manual configuration changes at each of your roaming partners (easily
> hundreds of operators!) and hence it is avoided at all cost due to the
> related long schedule, requirement for interop testing with each of them,
> etc.
>
> So what you do in reality at operators is that you operate many of those
> virtual GGSNs on the same IP:Port combination (and hence UDP socket),
> which means you have PDP contexts for vGGSN A which terminate on e.g.
> gtp0 and PDP contexts for vGGSN B on gtp1, and so on.  The decision
> which gtp-device a given PDP context is a member is made by the GTP-C
> instance.  In the kenel we'll have to decouple net-devices from sockets.
>
> So whatever new configuration mechanism or architectural changes we
> introduce, we need to make sure that those will accomodate the "new
> model" rather than introducing further dependencies for which we will
> have to maintain backwards compatibility workaronds later on.
>
>>   - Port numbers are configurable
>
> I'm not sure if this is a useful feature.  GTP is used only in
> operator-controlled networks and only on standard ports.  It's not
> possible to negotiate any non-standard ports on the signaling plane
> either.
>
Bear in mind that we're not required to do everything the GTP spec
says. Adding port configuration is another one of those things that
gives us flexibility and and better capability to test without needing
a full blown GSN network. One feature I didn't implement was UDP
source for flow entropy-- as we've seen with other encapsulation
protocols this helps significantly to get good ECMP in the network. My
impression is GTP designers probably didn't think in terms of getting
best performance. But we can ;-)

>>   - Addition of a dst_cache in the GTP structure and other cleanup
>
> looks fine to me.
>
>>   - GSO,GRO
>>   - Control of zero UDP checksums
>
> [...]
>
>> Additionally, this patch set also includes a couple of general support
>> capabilities:
>>
>>   - A facility that allows application specific GSO callbacks
>>   - Common functions to get a route fo for an IP tunnel
>
> This is where the "core netdev" folks will have to comment.  I'm too
> remote from mainline kernel development these days and will focus on
> reviewing the GTP specific bits of your patch series.
>
Thanks. Obviously, I and many on this list have more expertise on the
core networking side than GTP, so your review is quite welcome.

>> For IPv6 support, the mobile subscriber needs to allow IPv6 addresses,
>> and the remote enpoint can be IPv6.
>
> Minor correction: The mobile subscriber specifically requests a PDP Type
> when establishing the PDP context via Session Management related
> signaling from MS/UE to SGSN.  The SGSN simply translates this to GTP
> and then forwards it to the GGSN.  So it's acutally not "allow" but
> "specifically request".
>
Okay.

>> Configured the matrix of IPv4/IPv6 mobile subscriber, IPv4/IPv6 remote
>> peer, and GTP version 0 and 1 (eight combinations). Observed
>> connectivity and proper GSO/GRO. Also, tested VXLAN for
>> regression.
>
> I presume those tests were done with manually configured GTP-devices and
> PDP contexts to the (patched) kernel GTP module?  If so, I would like to
> strongly suggest interop testing with a different implementation, such
> as real phones on the MS/UE side and e.g. OsmoSGSN.  That would,
> however, of course mean that the netlink related bits would have to be
> added to libgtpnl and OsmoGGSN (or ergw) so that you have a daemon for
> the control plane.
>
I also brought up open_ggsn. ggsn to sgsn.

> For IPv6 (and v4v6) PDP contexts there is quite a bit of extra headache
> related to the way how router solicitation/advertisements are modified
> in the 3GPP world.
>
> The address allocation in v4 is simple:
> * MS/UE requests dynamic or fixed IPv4 address via EUA IE of PDP context
>   activation
> * GGSN responds with IPv4 address in EUA of Activate PDP context
>   response (and then uses netlink to tell the kernel about that
>   IPv4 address)
>
> In v6 or the v6 portion of v4v6 it works differently:
> * MS/UE requests dynamic or fixed IPv4 address in EUA IE of PDP context
>   activation
> * GGSN responds with an IPv6 address, but that address is *not* used
>   for communication, but simply used as an "interface identifier" to
>   build a link-local address.
> * MS then uses router solicitation using that link-local address
> * GGSN responds with router advertisement, allocating a single /64
>   prefix, from which the MS then generates a fully-qualified IPv6
>   source address for communication.
>
> How did you envision this to be done with the v6 support you just added?
> At the very least, the /64 prefix matching would have to be implemented
> so that in fact all addresses within that /64 prefix are matched +
> encapsulated for a given PDP context in the downlink (to phone)
> direction.
>
> Also, I think the responsibility for the router advertisements would be
> in the kernel, too.  Otherwise, a GTP-C userspace implementation would
> have to inject packets into the user plane (which is otherwise handled
> completely inside the kernel).  Injecting packets would mean that in caes
> GTP sequence numbers are used, that userspace implementation would have
> to alter the sequence numbers of the kernel gtp.ko code using netlink,
> but therre would  be race conditions, ...
>
> The router advertisements and neighbor advertisements basically have the
> semantics of one link per PDP context.  Each of them is a point-to-point
> link, and it's not one router advertisement that's sent to all of the
> PDP contexts on that gtp-device.
>
> I know it all sucks.  I'm still happy to see somebody tackling v6
> support in gtp.c :)
>
I would hope all the above you're describing is mostly control plane
matters. At least a good design decouples data palne and control
plane. I know that GTP is a bit convoluted in this regard.

Tom

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