netdev - Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH resend 2/2] userns: control capabilities of some user namespaces

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Message-ID: <da764cbf-7522-06a0-6c21-adfa3eaac9c2@oracle.com>
Date:   Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:01:24 -0500
From:   chris hyser <chris.hyser@...cle.com>
To:     "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>,
        Daniel Micay <danielmicay@...il.com>
Cc:     Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार) <maheshb@...gle.com>,
        Mahesh Bandewar <mahesh@...dewar.net>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Kernel-hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>,
        Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        "Eric W . Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH resend 2/2] userns: control
 capabilities of some user namespaces

On 11/06/2017 10:23 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> I think I definately prefer what I mentioned in the email to Boris.
> Basically a "permanent capability bounding set".  The normal bounding
> set gets reset to a full set on every new user_ns creation.  In this
> proposal, it would instead be set to the calling task's permanent
> capability set, which starts (at boot) full, and which privileged
> tasks can pull capabilities out of.

Actually, this may solve a similar problem I've been looking at. The 
idea was basically at strategic points in the kernel (possibly LSM hook 
sites, still evaluating, and probably syscall entry) validate that a 
task has not "magically" acquired capabilities that it or parent 
specifically said it cannot have and then take some action like say 
killing it immediately. Using your terms, basically make the "permanent 
capability set" a write-once privilege escalation defense. To handle the 
0-day threat, perhaps make it writable but only with more "restrictive" 
values.

-chrish