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Message-ID: <20180228060845-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Date:   Wed, 28 Feb 2018 06:09:45 +0200
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Cc:     linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] ptr_ring: linked list fallback

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:28:57AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2018年02月28日 01:12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 10:29:26AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 2018年02月27日 04:34, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:15:42AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > On 2018年02月26日 09:17, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > So pointer rings work fine, but they have a problem: make them too small
> > > > > > and not enough entries fit.  Make them too large and you start flushing
> > > > > > your cache and running out of memory.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is a new idea of mine: a ring backed by a linked list. Once you run
> > > > > > out of ring entries, instead of a drop you fall back on a list with a
> > > > > > common lock.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Should work well for the case where the ring is typically sized
> > > > > > correctly, but will help address the fact that some user try to set e.g.
> > > > > > tx queue length to 1000000.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In other words, the idea is that if a user sets a really huge TX queue
> > > > > > length, we allocate a ptr_ring which is smaller, and use the backup
> > > > > > linked list when necessary to provide the requested TX queue length
> > > > > > legitimately.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My hope this will move us closer to direction where e.g. fw codel can
> > > > > > use ptr rings without locking at all.  The API is still very rough, and
> > > > > > I really need to take a hard look at lock nesting.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Compiled only, sending for early feedback/flames.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin<mst@...hat.com>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > changes from v1:
> > > > > > - added clarifications by DaveM in the commit log
> > > > > > - build fixes
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >     include/linux/ptr_ring.h | 64 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
> > > > > >     1 file changed, 61 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > diff --git a/include/linux/ptr_ring.h b/include/linux/ptr_ring.h
> > > > > > index d72b2e7..8aa8882 100644
> > > > > > --- a/include/linux/ptr_ring.h
> > > > > > +++ b/include/linux/ptr_ring.h
> > > > > > @@ -31,11 +31,18 @@
> > > > > >     #include <asm/errno.h>
> > > > > >     #endif
> > > > > > +/* entries must start with the following structure */
> > > > > > +struct plist {
> > > > > > +	struct plist *next;
> > > > > > +	struct plist *last; /* only valid in the 1st entry */
> > > > > > +};
> > > > > So I wonder whether or not it's better to do this in e.g skb_array
> > > > > implementation. Then it can use its own prev/next field.
> > > > XDP uses ptr ring directly, doesn't it?
> > > > 
> > > Well I believe the main user for this is qdisc, which use skb array. And we
> > > can not use what implemented in this patch directly for sk_buff without some
> > > changes on the data structure.
> > Why not? skb has next and prev pointers at 1st two fields:
> > 
> > struct sk_buff {
> >          union {
> >                  struct {
> >                          /* These two members must be first. */
> >                          struct sk_buff          *next;
> >                          struct sk_buff          *prev;
> > ...
> > }
> > 
> > so it's just a question of casting to struct plist.
> 
> Well, then the casting can only be done in skb_array implementation?

why not?

> > 
> > Or we can add plist to a union:
> > 
> > 
> > struct sk_buff {
> >          union {
> >                  struct {
> >                          /* These two members must be first. */
> >                          struct sk_buff          *next;
> >                          struct sk_buff          *prev;
> >                          union {
> >                                  struct net_device       *dev;
> >                                  /* Some protocols might use this space to store information,
> >                                   * while device pointer would be NULL.
> >                                   * UDP receive path is one user.
> >                                   */
> >                                  unsigned long           dev_scratch;
> >                          };
> >                  };
> >                  struct rb_node  rbnode; /* used in netem & tcp stack */
> > +		struct plist plist; /* For use with ptr_ring */
> >          };
> > 
> 
> This look ok.
> 
> > 
> > > For XDP, we need to embed plist in struct xdp_buff too,
> > Right - that's pretty straightforward, isn't it?
> 
> Yes, it's not clear to me this is really needed for XDP consider the lock
> contention it brings.
> 
> Thanks

The contention is only when the ring overflows into the list though.

> > > so it looks to me
> > > that the better approach is to have separated function for ptr ring and skb
> > > array.
> > > 
> > > Thanks