netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next v9 3/4] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available

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Date:   Wed, 2 May 2018 18:04:05 +0200
From:   Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
To:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:     "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@...el.com>,
        stephen@...workplumber.org, davem@...emloft.net,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        virtio-dev@...ts.oasis-open.org, jesse.brandeburg@...el.com,
        alexander.h.duyck@...el.com, kubakici@...pl, jasowang@...hat.com,
        loseweigh@...il.com, aaron.f.brown@...el.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v9 3/4] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF
 datapath when available

Wed, May 02, 2018 at 05:47:27PM CEST, mst@...hat.com wrote:
>On Wed, May 02, 2018 at 09:50:21AM +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Wed, May 02, 2018 at 02:20:26AM CEST, sridhar.samudrala@...el.com wrote:
>> >On 4/30/2018 12:20 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > > Now I try to change mac of the failover master:
>> >> > > [root@...t1 ~]# ip link set ens3 addr 52:54:00:b2:a7:f3
>> >> > > RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > That I did expect to work. I would expect this would change the mac of
>> >> > > the master and both standby and primary slaves.
>> >> > If a VF is untrusted, a VM will not able to change its MAC and moreover
>> >> Note that at this point, I have no VF. So I'm not sure why you mention
>> >> that.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> > in this mode we are assuming that the hypervisor has assigned the MAC and
>> >> > guest is not expected to change the MAC.
>> >> Wait, for ordinary old-fashioned virtio_net, as a VM user, I can change
>> >> mac and all works fine. How is this different? Change mac on "failover
>> >> instance" should work and should propagate the mac down to its slaves.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> > For the initial implementation, i would propose not allowing the guest to
>> >> > change the MAC of failover or standby dev.
>> >> I see no reason for such restriction.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >It is true that a VM user can change mac address of a normal virtio-net interface,
>> >however when it is in STANDBY mode i think we should not allow this change specifically
>> >because we are creating a failover instance based on a MAC that is assigned by the
>> >hypervisor.
>> >
>> >Moreover,  in a cloud environment i would think that PF/hypervisor assigns a MAC to
>> >the VF and it cannot be changed by the guest.
>> 
>> So that is easy. You allow the change of the mac and in the "failover"
>> mac change implementation you propagate the change down to slaves. If
>> one slave does not support the change, you bail out. And since VF does
>
>I wish people would say primary/standby and not "VF" :)

Sure, sorry.


>
>> not allow it as you say, once it will be enslaved, the mac change could
>> not be done. Seems like a correct behavior to me
>
>
>what if primary does not allow mac changes and is attached after
>mac is changed on standy?

Mac should be changed on failover. In that case, the primary would have
a different mac and therefore it won't get enslaved.

>
>
>> and is in-sync with how
>> bond/team behaves.
>
>I think in the end virtio can just block MAC changes for simplicity.
>
>I personally don't see softmac as a must have feature in v1,
>we can add it later.

Okay.


>
>What's the situation with init scripts and whether it's
>possible to make them work well would be a better question.
>
>> 
>> >
>> >So for the initial implementation, do you see any issues with having this restriction
>> >in STANDBY mode.
>> >
>> >