netdev - Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/3] bpf: add boot parameters for sysctl knobs

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <20180524094108.066d885a@redhat.com>
Date:   Thu, 24 May 2018 09:41:08 +0200
From:   Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>
To:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Cc:     Eugene Syromiatnikov <esyr@...hat.com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-doc@...r.kernel.org,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@...onical.com>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...nel.org>,
        brouer@...hat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/3] bpf: add boot parameters for sysctl
 knobs

On Wed, 23 May 2018 15:02:45 -0700
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 02:18:19PM +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote:
> > Some BPF sysctl knobs affect the loading of BPF programs, and during
> > system boot/init stages these sysctls are not yet configured.
> > A concrete example is systemd, that has implemented loading of BPF
> > programs.
> > 
> > Thus, to allow controlling these setting at early boot, this patch set
> > adds the ability to change the default setting of these sysctl knobs
> > as well as option to override them via a boot-time kernel parameter
> > (in order to avoid rebuilding kernel each time a need of changing these
> > defaults arises).
> > 
> > The sysctl knobs in question are kernel.unprivileged_bpf_disable,
> > net.core.bpf_jit_harden, and net.core.bpf_jit_kallsyms.  
> 
> - systemd is root. today it only uses cgroup-bpf progs which require root,
>   so disabling unpriv during boot time makes no difference to systemd.
>   what is the actual reason to present time?
> 
> - say in the future systemd wants to use so_reuseport+bpf for faster
>   networking. With unpriv disable during boot, it will force systemd
>   to do such networking from root, which will lower its security barrier.
>   How that make sense?
> 
> - bpf_jit_kallsyms sysctl has immediate effect on loaded programs.
>   Flipping it during the boot or right after or any time after
>   is the same thing. Why add such boot flag then?
> 
> - jit_harden can be turned on by systemd. so turning it during the boot
>   will make systemd progs to be constant blinded.
>   Constant blinding protects kernel from unprivileged JIT spraying.
>   Are you worried that systemd will attack the kernel with JIT spraying?


I think you are missing that, we want the ability to change these
defaults in-order to avoid depending on /etc/sysctl.conf settings, and
that the these sysctl.conf setting happen too late.

For example with jit_harden, there will be a difference between the
loaded BPF program that got loaded at boot-time with systemd (no
constant blinding) and when someone reloads that systemd service after
/etc/sysctl.conf have been evaluated and setting bpf_jit_harden (now
slower due to constant blinding).   This is inconsistent behavior.

-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer