netdev - Re: [PATCH v2 net-next 0/2] net: preserve sock reference when scrubbing the skb.

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Date:   Wed, 27 Jun 2018 12:39:01 -0700
From:   Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com>
To:     Flavio Leitner <fbl@...hat.com>
Cc:     Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>,
        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de>,
        NetFilter <netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 net-next 0/2] net: preserve sock reference when
 scrubbing the skb.

Let me rephrase why I don't like this patchset:

1. Let's forget about TSQ for a moment, skb_orphan() before leaving
the stack is not just reasonable but also aligning to network isolation
design. You can't claim skb_orphan() is broken from beginning, it is
designed in this way and it is intentional.

2. Now, let's consider the current TSQ behavior (without any patch):

2a. For packets leaving the host or just leaving the stack to another
netns, there is no difference, and this should be expected from user's
point of view, because I don't need to think about its destination to
decide how I should configure tcp_limit_output_bytes.

2b. The hidden pipeline behind TSQ is well defined, that is, any
queues in between L4 and L2, most importantly qdisc. I can easily
predict the number of queues my packets will go through with a
given configuration. This also aligns with 2a.

2c. Isolation is respected as it should. TCP sockets in this netns
won't be influenced by any factor in another netns.

Now with your patchset:

2a. There is an apparent difference for packets leaving the host
and for packets just leaving this stack.

2b. You extend the pipeline to another netns's L3, which means
the number of queues is now unpredictable.

2c. Isolation is now slightly broken, the other netns could influence
the source netns.

I don't see you have any good argument on any of these 3 points.