netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next 2/3] rds: Enable RDS IPv6 support

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Message-ID: <e83dbf4a-b813-4edc-9245-d738faaedb4b@oracle.com>
Date:   Wed, 27 Jun 2018 18:07:47 +0800
From:   Ka-Cheong Poon <ka-cheong.poon@...cle.com>
To:     Sowmini Varadhan <sowmini.varadhan@...cle.com>
Cc:     netdev@...r.kernel.org, santosh.shilimkar@...cle.com,
        davem@...emloft.net, rds-devel@....oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 2/3] rds: Enable RDS IPv6 support

On 06/26/2018 09:08 PM, Sowmini Varadhan wrote:
> On (06/26/18 21:02), Ka-Cheong Poon wrote:
>>
>> In this case, RFC 6724 prefers link local address as source.
> 
> the keyword is "prefers".

There is a reason for that.  It is the way folks expect
how IPv6 addresses are being used.

>> While using non-link local address (say ULA) is not forbidden,
>> doing this can easily cause inter-operability issues (does the
>> app really know that the non-link local source and the link
>> local destination addresses are really on the same link?).  I
>> think it is prudent to disallow this in RDS unless there is a
>> very clear and important reason to do so.
> 
> I remember the issues that triggered 6724. The "interop" issue
> is that when you send from Link-local to global, and need forwarding,
> it may not work.

It is not just forwarding.  The simple case is that one
picks a global address in a different link and then
use it to send to a link local address in another link.
This does not work.  And the RDS connection created will
be stuck forever.  I don't think this is a good idea to
have such stuck connections.

> but I dont think an RDS application today expects to deal with
> the case that "oh I got back and error when I tried to send to
> address X on rds socket rs1, let me go and check what I am bound
> to, and maybe create another socket, and bind it to link-local"

I don't expect RDS apps will want to use link local address
in the first place.  In fact, most normal network apps don't.

> You're not doing this for IPv4 and RDS today (you dont have to do this
> for UDP, afaik)

Do you know of any IPv4 RDS app which uses IPv4 link local
address?  In fact, IPv4 link local address is explicitly
disallowed for active active bonding.

> This is especially true if "X" is a hostname that got resovled using DNS

Can you explain why DNS name resolution will return an IPv6
link local address?  I'm surprised if it actually does.

>> BTW, if it is really > needed, it can be added in future.
> 
> shrug. You are introducing a new error return.

An error needs to be returned because it is not allowed.

-- 
K. Poon
ka-cheong.poon@...cle.com