Message-ID: <3244a627-f70d-a7c6-46fb-24b5e3995ce2@redhat.com>
Date:   Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:52:05 +0800
From:   Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
To:     Toshiaki Makita <makita.toshiaki@....ntt.co.jp>,
        "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:     kvm@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Tonghao Zhang <zhangtonghao@...ichuxing.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH vhost] vhost_net: Fix too many vring kick on busypoll



On 2018年07月02日 15:11, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
> On 2018/07/02 15:17, Jason Wang wrote:
>> On 2018年07月02日 12:37, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
>>> On 2018/07/02 11:54, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>> On 2018年07月02日 10:45, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018/06/29 18:30, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018年06月29日 16:09, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> To fix this, poll the work instead of enabling notification when
>>>>>>> busypoll is interrupted by something. IMHO signal_pending() and
>>>>>>> vhost_has_work() are kind of interruptions rather than signals to
>>>>>>> completely cancel the busypoll, so let's run busypoll after the
>>>>>>> necessary work is done. In order to avoid too long busyloop due to
>>>>>>> interruption, save the endtime in vq field and use it when reentering
>>>>>>> the work function.
>>>>>> I think we don't care long busyloop unless e.g tx can starve rx?
>>>>> I just want to keep it user-controllable. Unless memorizing it busypoll
>>>>> can run unexpectedly long.
>>>> I think the total amount of time for busy polling is bounded. If I was
>>>> wrong, it should be a bug somewhere.
>>> Consider this kind of scenario:
>>> 0. Set 100us busypoll for example.
>>> 1. handle_tx() runs busypoll.
>>> 2. Something like zerocopy queues tx_work within 100us.
>>> 3. busypoll exits and call handle_tx() again.
>>> 4. Repeat 1-3.
>>>
>>> In this case handle_tx() does not process packets but busypoll
>>> essentially runs beyond 100us without endtime memorized. This may be
>>> just a theoretical problem, but I was worried that more code to poll tx
>>> queue can be added in the future and it becomes realistic.
>> Yes, but consider zerocopy tends to batch 16 used packets and we will
>> finally finish all processing of packets. The above won't be endless, so
>> it was probably tolerable.
> Right. So endtime memorization is more like a future-proof thing.
> Would you like to keep it or change something?

I think we'd better introduce it only when we meet real bugs.

Thanks

>
>>>>>>> Performance numbers:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Bulk transfer from guest to external physical server.
>>>>>>>         [Guest]->vhost_net->tap--(XDP_REDIRECT)-->i40e --(wire)-->
>>>>>>> [Server]
>>>>>> Just to confirm in this case since zerocopy is enabled, we are in fact
>>>>>> use the generic XDP datapath?
>>>>> For some reason zerocopy was not applied for most packets, so in most
>>>>> cases driver XDP was used. I was going to dig into it but not yet.
>>>> Right, just to confirm this. This is expected.
>>>>
>>>> In tuntap, we do native XDP only for small and non zerocopy packets. See
>>>> tun_can_build_skb(). The reason is XDP may adjust packet header which is
>>>> not supported by zercopy. We can only use XDP generic for zerocopy in
>>>> this case.
>>> I think I understand when driver XDP can be used. What I'm not sure and
>>> was going to narrow down is why zerocopy is mostly not applied.
>>>
>> I see, any touch to the zerocopy packet (clone, header expansion or
>> segmentation) that lead a userspace copy will increase the error counter
>> in vhost_net. Then vhost_net_tx_select_zcopy() may choose not to use
>> zerocopy. So it was probably something in your setup or a bug somewhere.
> Thanks for the hint!
>

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