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Date:   Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:25:04 -0700
From:   Chenbo Feng <fengc@...gle.com>
To:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Cc:     Daniel Colascione <dancol@...gle.com>,
        mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com, Joel Fernandes <joelaf@...gle.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        timmurray@...gle.com, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Add BPF_SYNCHRONIZE bpf(2) command

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:34 PM Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:21:43PM -0700, Daniel Colascione wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Alexei Starovoitov
> > <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 02:36:37PM -0700, Daniel Colascione wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Alexei Starovoitov
> > >> <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> > >> > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 04:54:38PM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > >> >> ----- On Jul 7, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joel Fernandes joelaf@...gle.com wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 07:54:28PM -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 06:56:16PM -0700, Daniel Colascione wrote:
> > >> >> >> > BPF_SYNCHRONIZE waits for any BPF programs active at the time of
> > >> >> >> > BPF_SYNCHRONIZE to complete, allowing userspace to ensure atomicity of
> > >> >> >> > RCU data structure operations with respect to active programs. For
> > >> >> >> > example, userspace can update a map->map entry to point to a new map,
> > >> >> >> > use BPF_SYNCHRONIZE to wait for any BPF programs using the old map to
> > >> >> >> > complete, and then drain the old map without fear that BPF programs
> > >> >> >> > may still be updating it.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Signed-off-by: Daniel Colascione <dancol@...gle.com>
> > >> >> >> > ---
> > >> >> >> >  include/uapi/linux/bpf.h |  1 +
> > >> >> >> >  kernel/bpf/syscall.c     | 14 ++++++++++++++
> > >> >> >> >  2 files changed, 15 insertions(+)
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h b/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> > >> >> >> > index b7db3261c62d..4365c50e8055 100644
> > >> >> >> > --- a/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> > >> >> >> > +++ b/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> > >> >> >> > @@ -98,6 +98,7 @@ enum bpf_cmd {
> > >> >> >> >          BPF_BTF_LOAD,
> > >> >> >> >          BPF_BTF_GET_FD_BY_ID,
> > >> >> >> >          BPF_TASK_FD_QUERY,
> > >> >> >> > +        BPF_SYNCHRONIZE,
> > >> >> >> >  };
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >  enum bpf_map_type {
> > >> >> >> > diff --git a/kernel/bpf/syscall.c b/kernel/bpf/syscall.c
> > >> >> >> > index d10ecd78105f..60ec7811846e 100644
> > >> >> >> > --- a/kernel/bpf/syscall.c
> > >> >> >> > +++ b/kernel/bpf/syscall.c
> > >> >> >> > @@ -2272,6 +2272,20 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE3(bpf, int, cmd, union bpf_attr __user *,
> > >> >> >> > uattr, unsigned int, siz
> > >> >> >> >          if (sysctl_unprivileged_bpf_disabled && !capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN))
> > >> >> >> >                  return -EPERM;
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > +        if (cmd == BPF_SYNCHRONIZE) {
> > >> >> >> > +                if (uattr != NULL || size != 0)
> > >> >> >> > +                        return -EINVAL;
> > >> >> >> > +                err = security_bpf(cmd, NULL, 0);
> > >> >> >> > +                if (err < 0)
> > >> >> >> > +                        return err;
> > >> >> >> > +                /* BPF programs are run with preempt disabled, so
> > >> >> >> > +                 * synchronize_sched is sufficient even with
> > >> >> >> > +                 * RCU_PREEMPT.
> > >> >> >> > +                 */
> > >> >> >> > +                synchronize_sched();
> > >> >> >> > +                return 0;
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> I don't think it's necessary. sys_membarrier() can do this already
> > >> >> >> and some folks use it exactly for this use case.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Alexei, the use of sys_membarrier for this purpose seems kind of weird to me
> > >> >> > though. No where does the manpage say membarrier should be implemented this
> > >> >> > way so what happens if the implementation changes?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Further, membarrier manpage says that a memory barrier should be matched with
> > >> >> > a matching barrier. In this use case there is no matching barrier, so it
> > >> >> > makes it weirder.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Lastly, sys_membarrier seems will not work on nohz-full systems, so its a bit
> > >> >> > fragile to depend on it for this?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >        case MEMBARRIER_CMD_GLOBAL:
> > >> >> >                /* MEMBARRIER_CMD_GLOBAL is not compatible with nohz_full. */
> > >> >> >                if (tick_nohz_full_enabled())
> > >> >> >                        return -EINVAL;
> > >> >> >                if (num_online_cpus() > 1)
> > >> >> >                        synchronize_sched();
> > >> >> >                return 0;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Adding Mathieu as well who I believe is author/maintainer of membarrier.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> See commit 907565337
> > >> >> "Fix: Disable sys_membarrier when nohz_full is enabled"
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Userspace applications should be allowed to expect the membarrier system
> > >> >> call with MEMBARRIER_CMD_SHARED command to issue memory barriers on
> > >> >> nohz_full CPUs, but synchronize_sched() does not take those into
> > >> >> account."
> > >> >>
> > >> >> So AFAIU you'd want to re-use membarrier to issue synchronize_sched, and you
> > >> >> only care about kernel preempt off critical sections.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Clearly bpf code does not run in user-space, so it would "work".
> > >> >>
> > >> >> But the guarantees provided by membarrier are not to synchronize against
> > >> >> preempt off per se. It's just that the current implementation happens to
> > >> >> do that. The point of membarrier is to turn user-space memory barriers
> > >> >> into compiler barriers.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If what you need is to wait for a RCU grace period for whatever RCU flavor
> > >> >> ebpf is using, I would against using membarrier for this. I would rather
> > >> >> recommend adding a dedicated BPF_SYNCHRONIZE so you won't leak
> > >> >> implementation details to user-space, *and* you can eventually change you
> > >> >> RCU implementation for e.g. SRCU in the future if needed.
> > >> >
> > >> > The point about future changes to underlying bpf mechanisms is valid.
> > >> > There is work already on the way to reduce the scope of preempt_off+rcu_lock
> > >> > that currently lasts the whole prog. We will have new prog types that won't
> > >> > have such wrappers and will do rcu_lock/unlock and preempt on/off only
> > >> > when necessary.
> > >> > So something like BPF_SYNCHRONIZE will break soon, since the kernel cannot have
> > >> > guarantees on when programs finish. Calling this command BPF_SYNCHRONIZE_PROG
> > >> > also won't make sense for the same reason.
> > >> > What we can do it instead is to define synchronization barrier for
> > >> > programs accessing maps. May be call it something like:
> > >> > BPF_SYNC_MAP_ACCESS ?
> > >>
> > >> I'm not sure what you're proposing. In the case the commit message
> > >> describes, a user-space program that wants to "drain" a map needs to
> > >> be confident that the map won't change under it, even across multiple
> > >> bpf system calls on that map. One way of doing that is to ensure that
> > >> nothing that could possibly hold a reference to that map is still
> > >> running. Are you proposing some kind of refcount-draining approach?
> > >> Simple locking won't work, since BPF programs can't block, and I don't
> > >> see right now how a simple barrier would help.
> > >
> > > I'm proposing few changes for your patch:
> > > s/BPF_SYNCHRONIZE/BPF_SYNC_MAP_ACCESS/
> > > and s/synchronize_sched/synchronize_rcu/
> > > with detailed comment in uapi/bpf.h that has an example why folks
> > > would want to use this new cmd.
> >
> > Thanks for clarifying.
> >
> > > I think the bpf maps will be rcu protected for foreseeable future
> > > even when rcu_read_lock/unlock will be done by the programs instead of
> > > kernel wrappers.
> >
> > Can we guarantee that we always obtain a map reference and dispose of
> > that reference inside the same critical section?
>
> yep. the verifier will guarantee that.
>
> > If so, can BPF
> > programs then disable preemption for as long as they'd like?
>
> you mean after the finish? no. only while running.
> The verifier will match things like lookup/release, lock/unlock, preempt on/off
> and will make sure there is no dangling preempt disable after program returns.
>
It might be a silly question but does this new bpf program type
provide a way to customize where to hold the rcu_lock/unlock and
enable/disable preemption when creating the program? Since the
BPF_SYNC_MAP_ACCESS cmd sounds not very useful if it only protect each
single map access instead of the whole program. For example, sometimes
we have to read the same map multiple times when running a eBPF
program and if the userspace changed the map value between two reads,
it may cause troubles. It would be great if we can have a RCU lock on
a block of eBPF program and in that way I think BPF_SYNC_MAP_ACCESS
cmd should be enough in handling userspace kernel racing problems.

Thanks
Chenbo Feng

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