netdev - Re: [PATCH 1/2] netlink: add NLA

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Message-ID: <20180913212742.GC3876@unicorn.suse.cz>
Date:   Thu, 13 Sep 2018 23:27:42 +0200
From:   Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@...e.cz>
To:     Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@...il.com>
Cc:     Johannes Berg <johannes@...solutions.net>,
        linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Johannes Berg <johannes.berg@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] netlink: add NLA_REJECT policy type

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 04:30:04PM -0300, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:46:02AM +0200, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > From: Johannes Berg <johannes.berg@...el.com>
> > 
> > In some situations some netlink attributes may be used for output
> > only (kernel->userspace) or may be reserved for future use. It's
> > then helpful to be able to prevent userspace from using them in
> > messages sent to the kernel, since they'd otherwise be ignored and
> > any future will become impossible if this happens.
> 
> I don't follow, what's the issue with simply ignoring such attributes?

A bit artificial example but I can't come with somethin better at the
moment: let's say newer kernel and iproute2 allow something like

  ip link del <condition1> <condition2>

and you run new ip with older kernel which only supports <condition1>.
You don't really want kernel to silently ignore the second condition.
Or e.g. when adding a netfilter rule, you wouldn't want kernel to ignore
parts of the rule it does not understand.

I must admit I'm not sure if there is really need for having reserved
attributes with netlink. Maybe e.g. when we want to share part of
(numeric) attribute types between different message types. Anyway, we
have the same problem with attributes higher than maximum; NLA_REJECT
wouldn't help with this but the discussion also touched the topic.

> > Add NLA_REJECT to the policy which does nothing but reject (with
> > EINVAL) validation of any messages containing this attribute.
> > Allow for returning a specific extended ACK error message in the
> > validation_data pointer.
> 
> This has potential to create confusion because we can't use it on
> {output,reserved} attributes that are already there (as we must always
> ignore them now) and we will end up with a mix of it.

We can return -EINVAL even now, we just need to add a check after
nla_parse() wrapper returns, e.g. here: (lines 314-320)

  https://github.com/mkubecek/ethnl/blob/master/kernel/0019-ethtool-implement-SET_PARAMS-message.patch#L314

It would be easier and IMHO cleaner if I could simply list these "read
only attributes" with NLA_REJECT policy for "set" request.

Michal Kubecek